4 ms·

> certain authors excluded for fear of offending China, That is an extremely misleading summary of what was uncovered.

michaelt 2y ago
I don't know anything about the matter, but the Wikipedia page [1] says: > several authors being declared ineligible without explanation [...] Leaked emails revealed that the authors were excluded due to self-censorship by the Hugo Award administrators in order to appease the Chinese government Is Wikipedia incorrect here? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hugo_Award&oldid=1230651230#2023:_Ballot_censorship https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hugo_Award&oldid=...
- lmm 2y ago
  I have no idea about the specifics of this case, but Wikipedia is not a reliable source on politicised topics like this.
- rodgerd 2y ago
  There is a reasonably lengthly roundup at: https://corabuhlert.com/2024/01/21/the-2023-hugo-nomination-statistics-have-finally-been-release-and-we-have-questions/ https://corabuhlert.com/2024/01/21/the-2023-hugo-nomination-... The entries supposedly eliminated at the behest of the Chinese government are in many cases published in China, and there's never been any evidence that they were eliminated by anyone other than a secret committee comprising the guy who writes the closed-source voting software, which he refuses to let anyone audit. Moreover, there is clear evidence of anomalies and outright vote manipulation (with some winners having more votes allocated than were cast). Much of the vote manipulation appears to have been in order to override popular votes from Chinese fans. The "oh it's just the evil Chinese government" appears to be as much a deflection to allow one or a few people to rewrite the votes to a slate of winners who they prefer, as anything else. From : https://corabuhlert.com/2024/02/15/the-2023-hugo-nomination-scandal-gets-worse/ https://corabuhlert.com/2024/02/15/the-2023-hugo-nomination-... "There are a couple of other landmines in the report, namely that several Chinese language works were apparently removed for alleged slating before they even made the longlist. Note that Dave McCarty was also the Hugo administrator in 2016, i.e. one of the Puppy years, where slating very definitely took place, and yet found himself unable to remove any of the slate finalists from the ballot. And while I have no idea what We Live in Nanjing by Tianrui Shuofu and the other Chinese novels which appear on the eligibility spreadsheet but not on the ballot, are about, they can’t possibly be worse than such literary gems as “If You Were an Award, My Love” by Juan Tabo and S. Harris or “Safe Space as Rape Room” by Daniel Eness, both of which Dave McCarty allowed to make the ballot in 2016."

I don't know anything about the matter, but the Wikipedia page [1] says: > several authors being declared ineligible without explanation [...] Leaked emails revealed that the authors were excluded due to self-censorship by the Hugo Award administrators in order to appease the Chinese government Is Wikipedia incorrect here? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hugo_Award&oldid=1230651230#2023:_Ballot_censorship https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hugo_Award&oldid=...

lmm 2y ago
I have no idea about the specifics of this case, but Wikipedia is not a reliable source on politicised topics like this.
rodgerd 2y ago
There is a reasonably lengthly roundup at: https://corabuhlert.com/2024/01/21/the-2023-hugo-nomination-statistics-have-finally-been-release-and-we-have-questions/ https://corabuhlert.com/2024/01/21/the-2023-hugo-nomination-... The entries supposedly eliminated at the behest of the Chinese government are in many cases published in China, and there's never been any evidence that they were eliminated by anyone other than a secret committee comprising the guy who writes the closed-source voting software, which he refuses to let anyone audit. Moreover, there is clear evidence of anomalies and outright vote manipulation (with some winners having more votes allocated than were cast). Much of the vote manipulation appears to have been in order to override popular votes from Chinese fans. The "oh it's just the evil Chinese government" appears to be as much a deflection to allow one or a few people to rewrite the votes to a slate of winners who they prefer, as anything else. From : https://corabuhlert.com/2024/02/15/the-2023-hugo-nomination-scandal-gets-worse/ https://corabuhlert.com/2024/02/15/the-2023-hugo-nomination-... "There are a couple of other landmines in the report, namely that several Chinese language works were apparently removed for alleged slating before they even made the longlist. Note that Dave McCarty was also the Hugo administrator in 2016, i.e. one of the Puppy years, where slating very definitely took place, and yet found himself unable to remove any of the slate finalists from the ballot. And while I have no idea what We Live in Nanjing by Tianrui Shuofu and the other Chinese novels which appear on the eligibility spreadsheet but not on the ballot, are about, they can’t possibly be worse than such literary gems as “If You Were an Award, My Love” by Juan Tabo and S. Harris or “Safe Space as Rape Room” by Daniel Eness, both of which Dave McCarty allowed to make the ballot in 2016."