3 ms·

With container workloads, "Linux" is just the kernel; userland can be largely absent. That kernel runs on cheapest phones, and on largest supercomputers. With

by akho 2y ago

With container workloads, "Linux" is just the kernel; userland can be largely absent. That kernel runs on cheapest phones, and on largest supercomputers. With a similarly wide diversity of software. A much more heterogeneous environment than Windows can dream of.

CharlieDigital 2y ago
> With container workloads, "Linux" is just the kernel; userland can be largely absent. That's my point: It supports the $200 junkbox your gran bought from Walmart to $20,000 enterprise racks and is expected to support all of those different workloads
- akho 2y ago
  I do not understand your point. You are claiming that Windows needs to support a greater variety of hardware than linux, which is not true. Windows does not run on phones or supercomputers; linux runs everywhere windows does.
  - CharlieDigital 2y ago
    Those phones are made by a small number of hardware vendors on homogeneous hardware. At any given time, Google only has a handful of Pixels that it is supporting, those Pixels do not have user configurable hardware, and those Pixels are all identical. Dell sells a PC and it has to work with any number of possible storage devices. Users might swap out the modem. It is expected to work with any PCI-E device. It supports hundreds of classes and models of devices like printers and scanners. etc. etc. Saying that "it is used on phones" doesn't really mean much when there are only what? 5? 6? major phone manufacturers supporting a limited and largely homogeneous set hardware configurations. Same for cars; a small pool of manufacturers and suppliers on identical hardware configurations.
    - skeledrew 2y ago
      You'd be surprised at just how heterogenous Android devices are. Each OEM does their own thing, and it's only in the past few years that Google has gotten a few things standardized. Of course there's still a lot that hasn't been, and will never be standardized. And the core of Android is Linux. Not to mention there's Termux[0] which works on almost any device, from the fairly old to the very modern (currently running it on my OnePlus 12, and also had it on past devices). [0] https://termux.dev/en/ https://termux.dev/en/

by akho 2y ago

CharlieDigital 2y ago

> With container workloads, "Linux" is just the kernel; userland can be largely absent. That's my point: It supports the $200 junkbox your gran bought from Walmart to $20,000 enterprise racks and is expected to support all of those different workloads

akho 2y ago
I do not understand your point. You are claiming that Windows needs to support a greater variety of hardware than linux, which is not true. Windows does not run on phones or supercomputers; linux runs everywhere windows does.
- CharlieDigital 2y ago
  Those phones are made by a small number of hardware vendors on homogeneous hardware. At any given time, Google only has a handful of Pixels that it is supporting, those Pixels do not have user configurable hardware, and those Pixels are all identical. Dell sells a PC and it has to work with any number of possible storage devices. Users might swap out the modem. It is expected to work with any PCI-E device. It supports hundreds of classes and models of devices like printers and scanners. etc. etc. Saying that "it is used on phones" doesn't really mean much when there are only what? 5? 6? major phone manufacturers supporting a limited and largely homogeneous set hardware configurations. Same for cars; a small pool of manufacturers and suppliers on identical hardware configurations.
  - skeledrew 2y ago
    You'd be surprised at just how heterogenous Android devices are. Each OEM does their own thing, and it's only in the past few years that Google has gotten a few things standardized. Of course there's still a lot that hasn't been, and will never be standardized. And the core of Android is Linux. Not to mention there's Termux[0] which works on almost any device, from the fairly old to the very modern (currently running it on my OnePlus 12, and also had it on past devices). [0] https://termux.dev/en/ https://termux.dev/en/