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> That's (a slow) doom for the vast majority of the population, but not for humanity because the wealthy elite would survive. People throughout history have re

> That's (a slow) doom for the vast majority of the population, but not for humanity because the wealthy elite would survive. People throughout history have replaced the "elite" once the cost to do so became less than the cost (or benefit) to continue on in the status quo. The perceived "doom" would not last very long (in the greater span or sense of time) as it would all be reorganized, yet again. In that case, I am not so sure it's a "doom scenario" but instead something like the natural way of things, or history continuing on. And, maybe even a needed evolution of the species in that case. Things would have to be "quasi-magical" to play out (for the rest of human eternity) in the way a lot of the AI doom musings point to.

tivert 2y ago
> People throughout history have replaced the "elite" once the cost to do so became less than the cost (or benefit) to continue on in the status quo. Past performance is not a guarantee of future success. The elite throughout history relied on masses of common people to get anything done (do work, go to war, etc.). AI as-hyped has the potential to upend that long standing dynamic. The elite aren't going to be replaced if they and the resources they care to protect are ensconced in a 50 mile buffer patrolled by (among other things) drone-swarms that will shove grenades in the face of any unauthorized human that dares enter. That technology is pretty close to reality, as it's basically the Ukraine/Russia front lines with 5-10 more years of drone development.
- 1659447091 2y ago
  > Past performance is not a guarantee of future success. True. I am still of the belief humans will continue to human. If an uprising of billions vs millions lose, the "elite" would also no longer be "elite". While I have no data, other than observation, the "elite", imo, need the validation of their status more than those who have none and gave it to them in the first place. If they do something so brash as to rid the world of these unwashed masses, they have no one left to rise above. I don't see them all of a sudden becoming great members of this new society; they wanted to own society, not be a citizen in it. How that wouldn't lead to self-elimination at that point is hard to imagine - thus a needed evolution of the species (even if that's extinction and another hominid group later inheriting the leftover mess)

tivert 2y ago

> People throughout history have replaced the "elite" once the cost to do so became less than the cost (or benefit) to continue on in the status quo. Past performance is not a guarantee of future success. The elite throughout history relied on masses of common people to get anything done (do work, go to war, etc.). AI as-hyped has the potential to upend that long standing dynamic. The elite aren't going to be replaced if they and the resources they care to protect are ensconced in a 50 mile buffer patrolled by (among other things) drone-swarms that will shove grenades in the face of any unauthorized human that dares enter. That technology is pretty close to reality, as it's basically the Ukraine/Russia front lines with 5-10 more years of drone development.

1659447091 2y ago
> Past performance is not a guarantee of future success. True. I am still of the belief humans will continue to human. If an uprising of billions vs millions lose, the "elite" would also no longer be "elite". While I have no data, other than observation, the "elite", imo, need the validation of their status more than those who have none and gave it to them in the first place. If they do something so brash as to rid the world of these unwashed masses, they have no one left to rise above. I don't see them all of a sudden becoming great members of this new society; they wanted to own society, not be a citizen in it. How that wouldn't lead to self-elimination at that point is hard to imagine - thus a needed evolution of the species (even if that's extinction and another hominid group later inheriting the leftover mess)