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The west wants women to be ambitious, which I fully support. BUT we aren't building any infra around this. Example: we need in-office nurseries/light-weight day

by asadm 2y ago

The west wants women to be ambitious, which I fully support. BUT we aren't building any infra around this. Example: we need in-office nurseries/light-weight daycares. Without this, both parents cannot work AND reproduce. Daycares are a scam. I would rather not work than offload my kids to randos.

Balgair 2y ago
> we need in-office nurseries/light-weight daycares Absolutely no. If your job lays you off or you get fired, then you just lost your childcare and all that community for your kid. I don't see a lot of parents taking that huge of a risk.
- asadm 2y ago
  > If your job lays you off or you get fired, then you just lost your childcare. That happens regardless. Or is regular daycare free?
  - Balgair 2y ago
    I mean, daycare is really local. Some have huge subsidies, some are run by a church, some are very small. It's quite variable. Generally though, if you lose your job, you can go get another job and still stay at the same daycare. I think we've all survived through credit cards for a while in between work. But that doesn't work if the daycare is through the job.
    - asadm 2y ago
      but having daycare far from workplace just means mothers are at a disadvantage. Either they take time off during formative days or balance 2 jobs at the same time (and commute between them) Co-location is, i think the key to solving this.
      - Balgair 2y ago
        I think the economic principle of 'revealed preferences' shows up here. If co-location of daycare and work was something that people valued highly, then you'd see it happening already. The daycare nightmare has been going on for quite some time.
        asadm 2y ago
        The employers have no interest in doing this. The whole DEI effort is just hand waving to avoid being cancelled.
red-iron-pine 2y ago
I've worked in several places that have in-office daycares. > I would rather not work than offload my kids to randos. I am in agreement. Mama needs time off. Dad needs time off, too, and that helps avoid discrimination against the women.
chasd00 2y ago
> I would rather not work than offload my kids to randos heh it's very hard on parents. You can always spot the new parents at daycare because they're the ones crying in the parking lot after drop off.
- asadm 2y ago
  yup! Plus, as a parent, my #1 goal is to raise them with my full attention, teach them all the values, etc. Otherwise there is no point. Parenting is full-time job. Daycare is lazy parenting.
autoexec 2y ago
I'd rather have every worker paid enough that they can support themselves and a modest family on one income. That way a parent can choose to stay home and be with their children during the most formative and remarkable years of their children's lives instead of being forced to abandon their children with strangers for 40+ hours a week.
- jemmyw 2y ago
  It doesn't work because then couples with no kids get paid enough for 2 families, invest in housing, raise the prices for everyone else, then maybe have their own kids a decade later than the norm, forcing everyone else to be 2 worker families who can never catch up. And that's where we're at now.
  - autoexec 2y ago
    > It doesn't work because then couples with no kids get paid enough for 2 families That's fine too. Couples without children will always have much more money than couples who do. It's not a problem when couples who do have children can still afford to live a good life. It won't destroy the housing market either. Not every person without kids is interested in becoming a real estate mogul. What's made housing unaffordable today wasn't that families used to be able to support themselves on a single income, it's corporations and foreign buyers who purchase homes without any intention to occupy them. They'd rather hold onto them as an investment leaving them empty or rent them out at higher and higher rates. Stopping this practice, and ensuring that anyone buying a residential property is a resident of the city/state/nation, and that the buyer must occupy the property at least some of the time would do a lot more good for the housing problem in the US than suppressing wages so that no parent can afford to stay home to raise their own children.

by asadm 2y ago

Balgair 2y ago

> we need in-office nurseries/light-weight daycares Absolutely no. If your job lays you off or you get fired, then you just lost your childcare and all that community for your kid. I don't see a lot of parents taking that huge of a risk.

asadm 2y ago
> If your job lays you off or you get fired, then you just lost your childcare. That happens regardless. Or is regular daycare free?
- Balgair 2y ago
  I mean, daycare is really local. Some have huge subsidies, some are run by a church, some are very small. It's quite variable. Generally though, if you lose your job, you can go get another job and still stay at the same daycare. I think we've all survived through credit cards for a while in between work. But that doesn't work if the daycare is through the job.
  - asadm 2y ago
    but having daycare far from workplace just means mothers are at a disadvantage. Either they take time off during formative days or balance 2 jobs at the same time (and commute between them) Co-location is, i think the key to solving this.
    - Balgair 2y ago
      I think the economic principle of 'revealed preferences' shows up here. If co-location of daycare and work was something that people valued highly, then you'd see it happening already. The daycare nightmare has been going on for quite some time.
      - asadm 2y ago
        The employers have no interest in doing this. The whole DEI effort is just hand waving to avoid being cancelled.

red-iron-pine 2y ago

I've worked in several places that have in-office daycares. > I would rather not work than offload my kids to randos. I am in agreement. Mama needs time off. Dad needs time off, too, and that helps avoid discrimination against the women.

chasd00 2y ago

> I would rather not work than offload my kids to randos heh it's very hard on parents. You can always spot the new parents at daycare because they're the ones crying in the parking lot after drop off.

asadm 2y ago
yup! Plus, as a parent, my #1 goal is to raise them with my full attention, teach them all the values, etc. Otherwise there is no point. Parenting is full-time job. Daycare is lazy parenting.

autoexec 2y ago

I'd rather have every worker paid enough that they can support themselves and a modest family on one income. That way a parent can choose to stay home and be with their children during the most formative and remarkable years of their children's lives instead of being forced to abandon their children with strangers for 40+ hours a week.

jemmyw 2y ago
It doesn't work because then couples with no kids get paid enough for 2 families, invest in housing, raise the prices for everyone else, then maybe have their own kids a decade later than the norm, forcing everyone else to be 2 worker families who can never catch up. And that's where we're at now.
- autoexec 2y ago
  > It doesn't work because then couples with no kids get paid enough for 2 families That's fine too. Couples without children will always have much more money than couples who do. It's not a problem when couples who do have children can still afford to live a good life. It won't destroy the housing market either. Not every person without kids is interested in becoming a real estate mogul. What's made housing unaffordable today wasn't that families used to be able to support themselves on a single income, it's corporations and foreign buyers who purchase homes without any intention to occupy them. They'd rather hold onto them as an investment leaving them empty or rent them out at higher and higher rates. Stopping this practice, and ensuring that anyone buying a residential property is a resident of the city/state/nation, and that the buyer must occupy the property at least some of the time would do a lot more good for the housing problem in the US than suppressing wages so that no parent can afford to stay home to raise their own children.