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Where's Jobs when you need him?

by pasbesoin 14y ago

opminion 14y ago
Nah, where's Stallman when you need him.
- enneff 14y ago
  Why would he care? http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/36460 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/36460
  - jarek 14y ago
    Can you elaborate on why you feel your link suggest that he would not care about a person being potentially denied use of software useful to them?
Karunamon 14y ago
What the heck does Jobs have to do with this? The man was a capitalist and hardly a philanthropist.
- pasbesoin 14y ago
  Cynically: He knew the value of PR. Less cynically: He knew the value of children, and that such a situation would be deserving of secondary review and a conservative (in the non-political sense) course of action -- or inaction, until such time as a legal determination was made. This might be one of those situations to benefit from that occasional, "direct line" to Jobs. Regardless of the final determination of intellectual property rights, you don't cut kids off from such transformative assistance. You. Just. Don't. If you've worked with such kids, you know how precious it is. P.S. And yes, my grandparent post was somewhat rhetorical. In the small hope that such attitude, expressed more broadly, might provoke Apple into a further review and perhaps a "wait and see" position.
  - retrogradeorbit 14y ago
    > He knew the value of children Haha! Unless their name was Lisa! Steve Jobs initiated the corporate culture that continues to this day at Apple. He would not have changed anything in this situation.
    - pasbesoin 14y ago
      I take your point, with respect to Lisa. So, maybe we should stick with the cynical explanation? In any event, I don't think he would let this situation get too FUBAR.
- taligent 14y ago
  He was a philanthropist. He just did so privately. Many anonymous, large donations have been attributed to him.
  - Tomis02 14y ago
    http://swaaanson.tumblr.com/post/25005539624/kindle-notes-inside-apple-by-adam-lashinsky http://swaaanson.tumblr.com/post/25005539624/kindle-notes-in... CTRL+F philanthropic
- pooriaazimi 14y ago
  I don't want to be impolite or start a personal attack, but if you really don't consider what he did philanthropic, then you must re-consider your definition of this word. He wasn't the only on, but was one of those guys who created this device that's giving this child a voice in the first place. You don't have to give huge chunks of money to charitable causes to be a philanthropic, you can use that money to build a company that makes people's lives better. Not that donating money is bad, just that there are different kinds of philanthropy. Jobs could've retired when he was 24 - he had about 400 million dollars then. But he tried to create a better company and lost almost all of it, and only years later regained his old wealth (in 2000+ he got I think hundreds of million of AAPL shares, and some years later got 7B selling Pixar to Disney). He spent years and years of his life (yeas he could've enjoyed in Hawaii) building this very device; so, it's really unfair to not credit him for what he always aspired: changing the world (a little) and making a (small) dent in the universe. And just to be clear: I'm not against capitalism. As much as it looks bad and IS bad, without capitalists we would have less progress in the world. As much as I love communism and socialism, they don't work really well in the real world (due to human nature, that's un-alterable). So, don't judge entrepreneurs too harshly for not giving away their money.
  - Karunamon 14y ago
    No offense taken :) >He wasn't the only one, but was one of those guys who created this device that's giving this child a voice in the first place. That's a matter of happenstance, though. Jobs and Apple didn't create a device altruistically to be used by the disabled, they created a very popular piece of consumer electronics. Nothing more. Any other light touchpad device with a similar app would fit Maya's use case, which could just as easily have been a Galaxy Tab or a Thinkpad X. This is going to sound really bad, so please don't take offense, but what you're saying sounds very similar to Apple marketspeak. "The magical, world changing device" and whatnot. Let's try to keep perspective here.
    - pooriaazimi 14y ago
      That's my point: It could've been a cheap Android clone; but it wasn't. It was an iPad. Why? (who knows, but maybe) because Jobs & co., with their fiendish desire to create a useful device, were able to create something that people would actually use, create apps for AND purchase from its curated (and sometimes, unfair) stores. IF there wasn't a curated store, and a good device, maybe there would not have been an SfY right now; someone would eventually create something like this, but that could've been 5 years from now (IF Apple had not created iOS, Android wouldn't be what it is NOW, because of competition. It would be as good as it is in 3-4 years, but not right now). So, little Maya would've been voiceless for the past months; as she couldn't use those $15,000 devices. And, personally, I really don't care about intents. Some believe there is a God and he judges based on your intents. I like to be more pragmatic and judge by impact. Lewis Carroll was a pedophile, so Alice shouldn't be called a great children books that millions of kids have had a great time reading. I couldn't care less if he was a pedophile, or Mother Teresa's assistant. Likewise, I don't give a damn if Jobs was a money-loving, dictator bastard. He was a major component in PC revolution, smartphone business and tablets. So, I respect him and credit him for a lot of lives that has changed by these devices. If I could, I would create a big statue of him, just to inspire others to take lead from him (it doesn't mean that I think he's a saint or I agree with more than 1% of the things he has done in his life, it just means that I think this guy, with all his faults and shortcomings was at least somehow useful for the world; what most of people are not and die without trying to change the world a better place). Your world view very well might be different than mine, and that certainly changes the way you feel and think about Jobs, Gates, or other rich people. :)

Where's Jobs when you need him?

opminion 14y ago

Nah, where's Stallman when you need him.

enneff 14y ago
Why would he care? http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/36460 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/36460
- jarek 14y ago
  Can you elaborate on why you feel your link suggest that he would not care about a person being potentially denied use of software useful to them?

Karunamon 14y ago

What the heck does Jobs have to do with this? The man was a capitalist and hardly a philanthropist.

pasbesoin 14y ago
Cynically: He knew the value of PR. Less cynically: He knew the value of children, and that such a situation would be deserving of secondary review and a conservative (in the non-political sense) course of action -- or inaction, until such time as a legal determination was made. This might be one of those situations to benefit from that occasional, "direct line" to Jobs. Regardless of the final determination of intellectual property rights, you don't cut kids off from such transformative assistance. You. Just. Don't. If you've worked with such kids, you know how precious it is. P.S. And yes, my grandparent post was somewhat rhetorical. In the small hope that such attitude, expressed more broadly, might provoke Apple into a further review and perhaps a "wait and see" position.
- retrogradeorbit 14y ago
  > He knew the value of children Haha! Unless their name was Lisa! Steve Jobs initiated the corporate culture that continues to this day at Apple. He would not have changed anything in this situation.
  - pasbesoin 14y ago
    I take your point, with respect to Lisa. So, maybe we should stick with the cynical explanation? In any event, I don't think he would let this situation get too FUBAR.
taligent 14y ago
He was a philanthropist. He just did so privately. Many anonymous, large donations have been attributed to him.
- Tomis02 14y ago
  http://swaaanson.tumblr.com/post/25005539624/kindle-notes-inside-apple-by-adam-lashinsky http://swaaanson.tumblr.com/post/25005539624/kindle-notes-in... CTRL+F philanthropic
pooriaazimi 14y ago
I don't want to be impolite or start a personal attack, but if you really don't consider what he did philanthropic, then you must re-consider your definition of this word. He wasn't the only on, but was one of those guys who created this device that's giving this child a voice in the first place. You don't have to give huge chunks of money to charitable causes to be a philanthropic, you can use that money to build a company that makes people's lives better. Not that donating money is bad, just that there are different kinds of philanthropy. Jobs could've retired when he was 24 - he had about 400 million dollars then. But he tried to create a better company and lost almost all of it, and only years later regained his old wealth (in 2000+ he got I think hundreds of million of AAPL shares, and some years later got 7B selling Pixar to Disney). He spent years and years of his life (yeas he could've enjoyed in Hawaii) building this very device; so, it's really unfair to not credit him for what he always aspired: changing the world (a little) and making a (small) dent in the universe. And just to be clear: I'm not against capitalism. As much as it looks bad and IS bad, without capitalists we would have less progress in the world. As much as I love communism and socialism, they don't work really well in the real world (due to human nature, that's un-alterable). So, don't judge entrepreneurs too harshly for not giving away their money.
- Karunamon 14y ago
  No offense taken :) >He wasn't the only one, but was one of those guys who created this device that's giving this child a voice in the first place. That's a matter of happenstance, though. Jobs and Apple didn't create a device altruistically to be used by the disabled, they created a very popular piece of consumer electronics. Nothing more. Any other light touchpad device with a similar app would fit Maya's use case, which could just as easily have been a Galaxy Tab or a Thinkpad X. This is going to sound really bad, so please don't take offense, but what you're saying sounds very similar to Apple marketspeak. "The magical, world changing device" and whatnot. Let's try to keep perspective here.
  - pooriaazimi 14y ago
    That's my point: It could've been a cheap Android clone; but it wasn't. It was an iPad. Why? (who knows, but maybe) because Jobs & co., with their fiendish desire to create a useful device, were able to create something that people would actually use, create apps for AND purchase from its curated (and sometimes, unfair) stores. IF there wasn't a curated store, and a good device, maybe there would not have been an SfY right now; someone would eventually create something like this, but that could've been 5 years from now (IF Apple had not created iOS, Android wouldn't be what it is NOW, because of competition. It would be as good as it is in 3-4 years, but not right now). So, little Maya would've been voiceless for the past months; as she couldn't use those $15,000 devices. And, personally, I really don't care about intents. Some believe there is a God and he judges based on your intents. I like to be more pragmatic and judge by impact. Lewis Carroll was a pedophile, so Alice shouldn't be called a great children books that millions of kids have had a great time reading. I couldn't care less if he was a pedophile, or Mother Teresa's assistant. Likewise, I don't give a damn if Jobs was a money-loving, dictator bastard. He was a major component in PC revolution, smartphone business and tablets. So, I respect him and credit him for a lot of lives that has changed by these devices. If I could, I would create a big statue of him, just to inspire others to take lead from him (it doesn't mean that I think he's a saint or I agree with more than 1% of the things he has done in his life, it just means that I think this guy, with all his faults and shortcomings was at least somehow useful for the world; what most of people are not and die without trying to change the world a better place). Your world view very well might be different than mine, and that certainly changes the way you feel and think about Jobs, Gates, or other rich people. :)