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A lot of men, particularly less educated men, have bizarre beliefs that vasectomies harm sexual performance or make them less of men. I saw the other day a pers

A lot of men, particularly less educated men, have bizarre beliefs that vasectomies harm sexual performance or make them less of men. I saw the other day a person asking on the biohacking Reddit if a vasectomy would harm testosterone levels. Asking poorly educated, poorly read, and low-skilled men to make highly informed decisions is going to be a losing battle. I'm willing to bet the rates of vasectomy are highly correlated with education levels.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
There are chances for chronic pain though. A few people on HN said they wouldn't have done that if they knew what would happen
- pwthornton 2y ago
  Yes. I had pain for a while. Mine was not a quick recovery, and I now sleep with a body pillow between my knees (although my back and hips like this). I do a lot of cycling, so I am sure that is part of the issue. Overall, I would recommend it. My wife and I didn't want to risk having more kids.
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
    That sounds like a huge negative to me. How much will it worsen with age? Really for males there is condom (big downside in feeling) or surgery with chronic pain as option. Great options.
    - klyrs 2y ago
      Chronic pain (pvps) has a 1-2% incidence rate, and can be treated in many cases. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5503923/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5503923/ Options for women include childbearing, which bears risk of severe medical complications and death; hormonal birth control, which is mood-altering, causes weight gain, unsatisfactory sex; IUDs with risk of chronic pain; and condoms which always seem to magically slip off.
      - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
        1-2% of having permanent pain between my legs sounds like an ENORMOUS amount
        pwthornton 2y ago
        You aren’t escaping life without pain. I torn my quad last year, and then one of my kids did a butt stomp right on that knee joint as I was lying on the ground. Any minor residual vasectomy pain is the least of my concerns.
        Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
        That's an ACCIDENT, not a decision.
        klyrs 2y ago
        Right. That's actually less than the failure rate of condoms used as intended. But you'll never experience childbirth, postpartum pain, and you can just walk away from a family if your partner's vagina is a source permanent pain for her.
        Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
        The condom failure rate might be higher, but the result of an undesired pregnancy because of condoms failure is not that rate. Childbirth is limited in scope and postpartum pain will not last permanently. Permanent chronic pain will last until the end of your life, that's heavy in my book. That being said I assume this statement is country specific, because for example in Italy if you walk away (as a dad) from your family, most of your income will go to the mother. Not only that, it is basically guaranteed that as a dad, you will not get child custody (unless the mother gives that up voluntarily), so if you actually wanted to be a dad, SORRY, you are not going to enjoy your kids. And yes the mother can walk away from you, with your money and your kids. That being said, I'm seeing this through the lense of a stable couple with children (my case). Both me and my wife discuss our options and we don't like any contraceptive options right now. Either diminished feeling (which I have to assumes vary drastically per person), or some damage to the body (external hormones for female, chronic pain for male). Terrible across the board
datavirtue 2y ago
It's a costly inconvenience. Women are responsible for their bodies. Then you have to sell the prospect of someone cutting at their manhood. It just ain't happening.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago

There are chances for chronic pain though. A few people on HN said they wouldn't have done that if they knew what would happen

pwthornton 2y ago
Yes. I had pain for a while. Mine was not a quick recovery, and I now sleep with a body pillow between my knees (although my back and hips like this). I do a lot of cycling, so I am sure that is part of the issue. Overall, I would recommend it. My wife and I didn't want to risk having more kids.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
  That sounds like a huge negative to me. How much will it worsen with age? Really for males there is condom (big downside in feeling) or surgery with chronic pain as option. Great options.
  - klyrs 2y ago
    Chronic pain (pvps) has a 1-2% incidence rate, and can be treated in many cases. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5503923/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5503923/ Options for women include childbearing, which bears risk of severe medical complications and death; hormonal birth control, which is mood-altering, causes weight gain, unsatisfactory sex; IUDs with risk of chronic pain; and condoms which always seem to magically slip off.
    - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
      1-2% of having permanent pain between my legs sounds like an ENORMOUS amount
      - pwthornton 2y ago
        You aren’t escaping life without pain. I torn my quad last year, and then one of my kids did a butt stomp right on that knee joint as I was lying on the ground. Any minor residual vasectomy pain is the least of my concerns.
        Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
        That's an ACCIDENT, not a decision.
      - klyrs 2y ago
        Right. That's actually less than the failure rate of condoms used as intended. But you'll never experience childbirth, postpartum pain, and you can just walk away from a family if your partner's vagina is a source permanent pain for her.
        Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
        The condom failure rate might be higher, but the result of an undesired pregnancy because of condoms failure is not that rate. Childbirth is limited in scope and postpartum pain will not last permanently. Permanent chronic pain will last until the end of your life, that's heavy in my book. That being said I assume this statement is country specific, because for example in Italy if you walk away (as a dad) from your family, most of your income will go to the mother. Not only that, it is basically guaranteed that as a dad, you will not get child custody (unless the mother gives that up voluntarily), so if you actually wanted to be a dad, SORRY, you are not going to enjoy your kids. And yes the mother can walk away from you, with your money and your kids. That being said, I'm seeing this through the lense of a stable couple with children (my case). Both me and my wife discuss our options and we don't like any contraceptive options right now. Either diminished feeling (which I have to assumes vary drastically per person), or some damage to the body (external hormones for female, chronic pain for male). Terrible across the board

datavirtue 2y ago

It's a costly inconvenience. Women are responsible for their bodies. Then you have to sell the prospect of someone cutting at their manhood. It just ain't happening.