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> The entire culture war is between people who resent their dads for being absent or weak, and those who don't. Are you saying that having an absent father or

> The entire culture war is between people who resent their dads for being absent or weak, and those who don't. Are you saying that having an absent father or not determines your views on trans people, abortion, saying Merry Christmas vs happy holidays, DEI, etc?

mindslight 2y ago
Yeah there are some interesting ideas in there and I respect the ideals of open debate and exploration of these topics, but this is by far the weakest part of the comment. I'm also finding it difficult to infer which tribe that is supposed to apply to - similar accusations are often lobbed at the blue tribe for supposedly wanting the state to act like a father, but I think performative masculinity in general speaks much more to a lack of strong male role models. So maybe it's better to assume the problem across the board, and perhaps only modulated by political tribe - the first comment on the original blog post speaks to the phenomenon even extending to other cultures.
PessimalDecimal 2y ago
I've never read about this topic but the comment above interested me in trying to find any references related to the claim it's making. So far, [1] is the most interesting one. While it doesn't precisely line up with what is claimed above, it does say that a more "paternalistic" parenting style is causal for the child's later political beliefs. [1] https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2022/june/when-parenting-style-predicts-political-leanings https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2022/june/when-par...
piuantiderp 2y ago
It very well could
lelanthran 2y ago
> Are you saying that having an absent father or not determines your views on trans people, abortion, saying Merry Christmas vs happy holidays, DEI, etc? What on earth does any of that have to do with the GP post? I'm also quite curious - you think all of those things listed above are generally seen as positive (or negative) by the same group of people? That's a bundle of different issues that most people either won't support all of, or won't oppose all of.
- amanaplanacanal 2y ago
  That’s usually what people mean when they use the term “culture war”. If that’s not what they meant, I wonder what is?
  - anonfornoreason 2y ago
    I personally prefer another definition of culture war that rises above the ever-changing ground-level arguments. This would be the belief that a person is ultimately responsible for themselves, and any policy or belief that removes that internal locus of control is antithetical to a healthy life and society. I think from here, much of the individual arguments can be classified.
    - mikhael28 2y ago
      Well, that's a very nuanced and mature view of things, but for most people culture war means 'they different than me - no like!'. Very tribal, usually built around team blue vs team red. Cliches, stereotypes and tropes. I think the concept you have expressed is simply the struggle for individual rights writ large. The struggle for a man to move through society by his rules, instead of being controlled by his parents, government or religion. Which, until the last few hundred years in certain parts of the world, has not been remotely possible.
- anon84873628 2y ago
  >That's a bundle of different issues that most people either won't support all of, or won't oppose all of. And yet that's the state of the US political feud, a.k.a. "culture war".

mindslight 2y ago

Yeah there are some interesting ideas in there and I respect the ideals of open debate and exploration of these topics, but this is by far the weakest part of the comment. I'm also finding it difficult to infer which tribe that is supposed to apply to - similar accusations are often lobbed at the blue tribe for supposedly wanting the state to act like a father, but I think performative masculinity in general speaks much more to a lack of strong male role models. So maybe it's better to assume the problem across the board, and perhaps only modulated by political tribe - the first comment on the original blog post speaks to the phenomenon even extending to other cultures.

PessimalDecimal 2y ago

I've never read about this topic but the comment above interested me in trying to find any references related to the claim it's making. So far, [1] is the most interesting one. While it doesn't precisely line up with what is claimed above, it does say that a more "paternalistic" parenting style is causal for the child's later political beliefs. [1] https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2022/june/when-parenting-style-predicts-political-leanings https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2022/june/when-par...

piuantiderp 2y ago

It very well could

lelanthran 2y ago

> Are you saying that having an absent father or not determines your views on trans people, abortion, saying Merry Christmas vs happy holidays, DEI, etc? What on earth does any of that have to do with the GP post? I'm also quite curious - you think all of those things listed above are generally seen as positive (or negative) by the same group of people? That's a bundle of different issues that most people either won't support all of, or won't oppose all of.

amanaplanacanal 2y ago
That’s usually what people mean when they use the term “culture war”. If that’s not what they meant, I wonder what is?
- anonfornoreason 2y ago
  I personally prefer another definition of culture war that rises above the ever-changing ground-level arguments. This would be the belief that a person is ultimately responsible for themselves, and any policy or belief that removes that internal locus of control is antithetical to a healthy life and society. I think from here, much of the individual arguments can be classified.
  - mikhael28 2y ago
    Well, that's a very nuanced and mature view of things, but for most people culture war means 'they different than me - no like!'. Very tribal, usually built around team blue vs team red. Cliches, stereotypes and tropes. I think the concept you have expressed is simply the struggle for individual rights writ large. The struggle for a man to move through society by his rules, instead of being controlled by his parents, government or religion. Which, until the last few hundred years in certain parts of the world, has not been remotely possible.
anon84873628 2y ago
>That's a bundle of different issues that most people either won't support all of, or won't oppose all of. And yet that's the state of the US political feud, a.k.a. "culture war".