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I heard investment bankers rely on it from the 90s. How addictive it is?

austin-cheney 2y ago
Cocaine is less addictive than sugar and opium, but it is still considered highly addictive. I don't know how addictive.
ta988 2y ago
A lot. And what's "funny" for bankers is that the return on investment is clearly negative. It degrades your cognitive function over time, your nose if it is used by that route, your relations, etc like every psychostimulant (caffeine as well and roughly to the same extent), short term low dose use has some positive cognitive impact, but it goes down with repeated use and/or increased doses. in the end not really worth it if your objective is cognitive enhancement (and not talking about the societal impact in the zones of production, which at least with coffee you can control a little)
DontchaKnowit 2y ago
in my experience, not very addictive at all. But at the same time, I didn't have easy access to it, and I was already heavily addicted to amphetamines at the time, so maybe my experience isn't typical. But I was able to do some, wait a few days, do some more, etc. With amphetamines, If I had them, I was taking em all day every day. Also when you do the math on what a coke habit costs to maintain, its mind boggling. I think that in and of its self prevents a lot of would-be coke heads from establishing a habit.
- Modified3019 2y ago
  I’m curious, what do amphetamines feel like to you that makes them addictive? For several months I took (extended release) dextroamphetamine and later lisdexamfetamine, because I was having a mental health crisis from a lifelong ignorance of ADHD(inattentive type), autism, and what was probably some sort of covid induced severe depression. This was in addition to Wellbutrin. While I’ve not found them useful in regards to the ADHD, the amphetamines seemed to be highly effective antidepressants in my case. The very first day I started, I felt something that wasn’t really euphoria, but more like a sense of wellbeing after months of daily spirals of passive suicidal ideation that would last for hours. But after that first day I basically felt no effects, other than not having depression. I didn’t feel good, I simply didn’t feel involuntarily bad anymore. Other effects -I was able to find a small degree of self satisfaction after working out (with a trainer, or it would not have happened), rather than it being 100% suck during and after, with the only motivation being intellectual. It should be noted that working out had no observable benefit towards my depression. -I was somewhat more chatty if I had lapsed taking the pills and had started again. -I think it somewhat negatively affected late evening drowsiness and energy levels during the day (made me more prone to wanting naps around noon) Eventually whatever was causing my underlying depression seemed to resolve, so I simply ceased taking the medications since there was simply no reason to continue. There is no desire to take my remaining pills, it’s just nice to have a tool known and available should I get another depression flare up. A blended mocha is far more tempting. So I’m curious what amphetamine addiction feels like, what do they do for you that pulls at you?
  - DontchaKnowit 2y ago
    When I take them, anything I do feels insanely gratifying. Its just euphoric. Like as soon as they kick in I feel like im on a big drop on a rollercoaster. It goes away quick though, and gets replaced by a cadre of horrible side effects, which makes me just want more. They also make my mind race with ideas which excites me. They are never good and never go anywhere but the racing thoughts are thrilling. Honestly cant describe why I was so impulsive with them. Like I knew they made me feel horrible on a longer time scale but I still ate them like m&ms.
    - Modified3019 2y ago
      No that explains it really well, thank you. While that exact sort of experience is alien to me (my capacity for happiness or excitement is generally very muted), thanks to analogous enough experiences I can definitely see how that could become uncontrollable if people have them at hand. If someone gave me 2 pounds of gummi bears that were secretly caffeinated, I could see doing something similar to myself.

Cocaine is less addictive than sugar and opium, but it is still considered highly addictive. I don't know how addictive.

ta988 2y ago

A lot. And what's "funny" for bankers is that the return on investment is clearly negative. It degrades your cognitive function over time, your nose if it is used by that route, your relations, etc like every psychostimulant (caffeine as well and roughly to the same extent), short term low dose use has some positive cognitive impact, but it goes down with repeated use and/or increased doses. in the end not really worth it if your objective is cognitive enhancement (and not talking about the societal impact in the zones of production, which at least with coffee you can control a little)

DontchaKnowit 2y ago

in my experience, not very addictive at all. But at the same time, I didn't have easy access to it, and I was already heavily addicted to amphetamines at the time, so maybe my experience isn't typical. But I was able to do some, wait a few days, do some more, etc. With amphetamines, If I had them, I was taking em all day every day. Also when you do the math on what a coke habit costs to maintain, its mind boggling. I think that in and of its self prevents a lot of would-be coke heads from establishing a habit.

Modified3019 2y ago
I’m curious, what do amphetamines feel like to you that makes them addictive? For several months I took (extended release) dextroamphetamine and later lisdexamfetamine, because I was having a mental health crisis from a lifelong ignorance of ADHD(inattentive type), autism, and what was probably some sort of covid induced severe depression. This was in addition to Wellbutrin. While I’ve not found them useful in regards to the ADHD, the amphetamines seemed to be highly effective antidepressants in my case. The very first day I started, I felt something that wasn’t really euphoria, but more like a sense of wellbeing after months of daily spirals of passive suicidal ideation that would last for hours. But after that first day I basically felt no effects, other than not having depression. I didn’t feel good, I simply didn’t feel involuntarily bad anymore. Other effects -I was able to find a small degree of self satisfaction after working out (with a trainer, or it would not have happened), rather than it being 100% suck during and after, with the only motivation being intellectual. It should be noted that working out had no observable benefit towards my depression. -I was somewhat more chatty if I had lapsed taking the pills and had started again. -I think it somewhat negatively affected late evening drowsiness and energy levels during the day (made me more prone to wanting naps around noon) Eventually whatever was causing my underlying depression seemed to resolve, so I simply ceased taking the medications since there was simply no reason to continue. There is no desire to take my remaining pills, it’s just nice to have a tool known and available should I get another depression flare up. A blended mocha is far more tempting. So I’m curious what amphetamine addiction feels like, what do they do for you that pulls at you?
- DontchaKnowit 2y ago
  When I take them, anything I do feels insanely gratifying. Its just euphoric. Like as soon as they kick in I feel like im on a big drop on a rollercoaster. It goes away quick though, and gets replaced by a cadre of horrible side effects, which makes me just want more. They also make my mind race with ideas which excites me. They are never good and never go anywhere but the racing thoughts are thrilling. Honestly cant describe why I was so impulsive with them. Like I knew they made me feel horrible on a longer time scale but I still ate them like m&ms.
  - Modified3019 2y ago
    No that explains it really well, thank you. While that exact sort of experience is alien to me (my capacity for happiness or excitement is generally very muted), thanks to analogous enough experiences I can definitely see how that could become uncontrollable if people have them at hand. If someone gave me 2 pounds of gummi bears that were secretly caffeinated, I could see doing something similar to myself.