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The author makes good points, but there is no mention of the demise of religion or the social factors leading to the dismantling of the nuclear family as causes

The author makes good points, but there is no mention of the demise of religion or the social factors leading to the dismantling of the nuclear family as causes.

afpx 2y ago
Me and the vast majority of my friends haven't experienced religion, and yet we're all in stable nuclear families. I didn't know we were anomalies.
- stonethrowaway 2y ago
  How vast and how many of these friends would take a bullet or sacrifice a finger if it meant you getting to keep your arm? You only know who your friends really are in these circumstances, otherwise they are tourists.
  - stonethrowaway 2y ago
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ptsneves 2y ago
I was telling my wife about the loss of religion and how that leaves many people without without purpose. Religion is often a precursor to the cultural norms we live, without even being aware of. Sunday is for resting in the west for example. To find a reason to keep living is very hard and may entail an acceptance that all is for nothing and being content with that. Many people cannot walk that path or have deep anxiety before even being able to confront those questions on a personal way. Religion fills that gap, until the person wants to move forth. It is easier to look into the void with a guide.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  > I was telling my wife about the loss of religion and how that leaves many people without without purpose. The hole left by religion is being quickly filled in by politics, which are taking on increasingly quasi-religious properties.
  - antisthenes 2y ago
    Which is frankly a lot more dangerous, considering there's no more clear separation between church and state, since the state becomes your religion and allows you to make real policies. Basically, belonging to a church didn't mean you could lose your house, but with someone who creates a policy targeting the other end of the political spectrum could very easily affect you negatively economically. Which is batshit insane and scary, which leads to further polarization.
    - ptsneves 2y ago
      I think the holy inquisition would like to talk with you. The separation of church and state is modern and likely a consequence of the church becoming socially weaker. I think religion has an important place but definitely at arms length from power and, kept, so.
- silverquiet 2y ago
  The problem is that god is dead; we killed him and as far as I know, there is no way to bring him back.
  - 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
    What is so great about religion as a reason to live? I want to live because life is fun some of the time and death is boring. Isn't that what Nietzsche was saying about "God is dead"? Did either of us read the book itself?
    - ptsneves 2y ago
      > I want to live because life is fun some of the time and death is boring. It is good you found out. I found my contentment is similar, but for me it was a journey and it took most of my adult life to understand it. Some people do not agree with your assessment nor can they understand it at all. It is nice to have a simple “what is life for” explained in “because god said so” or short stories of sheppards and people living a simple life. Regarding Nietzsche it took more than 2 millennia of western philosophy to get to him. For people that never were exposed to philosophy his works are as comprehensible as the Heisenberg uncertainty.
- lesuorac 2y ago
  Pretty sure its the other way around. Religion co-ops practices that people enjoy into being part of them. Christianity is a great example with its adoption of pagan practices such as Christmas.
  - brodouevencode 2y ago
    The birth of Christ was going to be celebrated with or without any pagan influence. It just so happened that it did.
01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
Personally I am not religious and I don't get along much with my immediate family Any solution that involves a prescribed push towards religion and family would be antithetical to my freedoms of religion and association

The author makes good points, but there is no mention of the demise of religion or the social factors leading to the dismantling of the nuclear family as causes.

afpx 2y ago

Me and the vast majority of my friends haven't experienced religion, and yet we're all in stable nuclear families. I didn't know we were anomalies.

stonethrowaway 2y ago
How vast and how many of these friends would take a bullet or sacrifice a finger if it meant you getting to keep your arm? You only know who your friends really are in these circumstances, otherwise they are tourists.
- stonethrowaway 2y ago
  [flagged]

ptsneves 2y ago

I was telling my wife about the loss of religion and how that leaves many people without without purpose. Religion is often a precursor to the cultural norms we live, without even being aware of. Sunday is for resting in the west for example. To find a reason to keep living is very hard and may entail an acceptance that all is for nothing and being content with that. Many people cannot walk that path or have deep anxiety before even being able to confront those questions on a personal way. Religion fills that gap, until the person wants to move forth. It is easier to look into the void with a guide.

ryandrake 2y ago
> I was telling my wife about the loss of religion and how that leaves many people without without purpose. The hole left by religion is being quickly filled in by politics, which are taking on increasingly quasi-religious properties.
- antisthenes 2y ago
  Which is frankly a lot more dangerous, considering there's no more clear separation between church and state, since the state becomes your religion and allows you to make real policies. Basically, belonging to a church didn't mean you could lose your house, but with someone who creates a policy targeting the other end of the political spectrum could very easily affect you negatively economically. Which is batshit insane and scary, which leads to further polarization.
  - ptsneves 2y ago
    I think the holy inquisition would like to talk with you. The separation of church and state is modern and likely a consequence of the church becoming socially weaker. I think religion has an important place but definitely at arms length from power and, kept, so.
silverquiet 2y ago
The problem is that god is dead; we killed him and as far as I know, there is no way to bring him back.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
  What is so great about religion as a reason to live? I want to live because life is fun some of the time and death is boring. Isn't that what Nietzsche was saying about "God is dead"? Did either of us read the book itself?
  - ptsneves 2y ago
    > I want to live because life is fun some of the time and death is boring. It is good you found out. I found my contentment is similar, but for me it was a journey and it took most of my adult life to understand it. Some people do not agree with your assessment nor can they understand it at all. It is nice to have a simple “what is life for” explained in “because god said so” or short stories of sheppards and people living a simple life. Regarding Nietzsche it took more than 2 millennia of western philosophy to get to him. For people that never were exposed to philosophy his works are as comprehensible as the Heisenberg uncertainty.
lesuorac 2y ago
Pretty sure its the other way around. Religion co-ops practices that people enjoy into being part of them. Christianity is a great example with its adoption of pagan practices such as Christmas.
- brodouevencode 2y ago
  The birth of Christ was going to be celebrated with or without any pagan influence. It just so happened that it did.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago

Personally I am not religious and I don't get along much with my immediate family Any solution that involves a prescribed push towards religion and family would be antithetical to my freedoms of religion and association