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All stimulants enhance some functions to some degree, so that is a poor metric of value. Cocaine, for example, temporarily boosts intelligence, but consuming c

All stimulants enhance some functions to some degree, so that is a poor metric of value. Cocaine, for example, temporarily boosts intelligence, but consuming cocaine is not recommended.

eightysixfour 2y ago
Does cocaine temporarily boost intelligence? I thought it boosted the feeling of being intelligent.
- austin-cheney 2y ago
  It does. Intelligence is the capacity for learning potential and cocaine boosts the ability to retain and process learned sensory matter, even when sleepy. That is really the greatest appeal of that drug. Again, I strongly do not recommend reliance on any stimulants, especially powerful ones like cocaine.
  - eightysixfour 2y ago
    Interesting can you cite a source? I found this: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2096405/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2096405/ which shows a consistent improvement in tests, but the performance increase was only 4%. I'd be willing to guess that the improvement would be higher when sleepy/fatigued (up to a point!) since it would increase the alertness of the user, but I have never seen anything that suggests cocaine boosts the ability to retain information.
    - zhengyi13 2y ago
      Anecdata here, but I met a person in university in the 90s who claimed: 1) they had access to really, really pure cocaine, and 2) they used it to study for tests. If I recall correctly, they were only using cocaine for the studying, not the test taking, and that they had good recall on tests.
- chmod775 2y ago
  > Does cocaine temporarily boost intelligence? I thought it boosted the feeling of being intelligent. For people who lack confidence or an ego, this may very well be the same thing. Just the urge to prove myself got me far in life. Sometimes I clearly struggle more than others, especially when surrounded by extremely smart people at university, but at the end of the day I've gotten much further than those who capitulated at the very beginning, claiming they're not smart enough. At this point I've taught things considered hard to a fair number of people, and those who give up for no objective reason at all vastly outnumber those who really (probably) can't do it. You can tell someone "it will probably take you twenty hours to understand this", and they'll still throw their hands in the air after one hour and declare they can't do it or just silently quit. Being a quitter is as bad as being stupid. Worse, because it's also a waste. So maybe instead of doing drugs, try to scrounge up some arrogance, confidence, pride, whatever it takes to make you hang in there.
  - xanderlewis 2y ago
    There is a lot of wisdom in this comment. So many of the world’s most ‘accomplished’ people at first appear to have been born special and to be fundamentally different from the rest of us but usually aren’t; they simply got on with it and then persisted long enough to have great success. They didn’t let the little voice in their head that says they’re not as good as the others win — either because they consciously chose to fight it, or because they were lucky to be born without it at all. To that extent, some of us are born fundamentally special. It’s so incredibly true that even if you tell someone something’s hard and it’ll take a while to get they’re still likely to give up too early and feel inferior for not ‘getting it’. This is why almost everyone (at least in the western world) thinks they “can’t do math”.
  - alias_neo 2y ago
    I've long believed most people can learn most things if they're willing (and able) to make the effort and have the right resources available to them. When I left university, I started a job writing Android apps that required high-performance and low-level stuff, at the start I couldn't imagine it ever being "easy", I struggled at first to understand it all, and often wondered if I'd ever be good at it; but over time as I learned more and more of it, it got easier, then a few short years later I was a team lead, teaching others. 10+ years before this, as a child, I couldn't imagine understanding how to compile a driver for Linux and the dependencies and so on, I was tinkering with distros and reverse engineering/cracking software as a young teen, fast forward to now, I run Linux exclusively, write software targeting it exclusively and teach others as team lead (different company, different team, different role, different software, no longer client-side) These are just two major examples that have affected my every day life, both of these things put me through immense frustration and took years to develop to "expert". There have been others, but my take away was that I've done it before, I can always do it again, it gets a bit harder and a bit slower with age, but I've more experience underpinning anything I do try to learn (tech or otherwise) and am better at learning. For me, it was all about proving myself, mostly to myself, and being unwilling to fail. These days, I pick and choose what it is if I don't believe I have the time or resources (or desire) to succeed, we don't have to be good at everything, just whats important; the aforementioned skills pay my bills, allow me and my family to live comfortably, etc. I could learn to play the piano (I still might), but I don't _need_ to.
- guluarte 2y ago
  No but increases focus
strken 2y ago
I remember having a look for papers relating to performance on cognitive tasks and caffeine, and not being able to find any high-quality studies that showed an improvement. Could you provide a source? Cocaine would be interesting too, although I've never searched for papers about it.
hnthrowaway0328 2y ago
I heard investment bankers rely on it from the 90s. How addictive it is?
- austin-cheney 2y ago
  Cocaine is less addictive than sugar and opium, but it is still considered highly addictive. I don't know how addictive.
- ta988 2y ago
  A lot. And what's "funny" for bankers is that the return on investment is clearly negative. It degrades your cognitive function over time, your nose if it is used by that route, your relations, etc like every psychostimulant (caffeine as well and roughly to the same extent), short term low dose use has some positive cognitive impact, but it goes down with repeated use and/or increased doses. in the end not really worth it if your objective is cognitive enhancement (and not talking about the societal impact in the zones of production, which at least with coffee you can control a little)
- DontchaKnowit 2y ago
  in my experience, not very addictive at all. But at the same time, I didn't have easy access to it, and I was already heavily addicted to amphetamines at the time, so maybe my experience isn't typical. But I was able to do some, wait a few days, do some more, etc. With amphetamines, If I had them, I was taking em all day every day. Also when you do the math on what a coke habit costs to maintain, its mind boggling. I think that in and of its self prevents a lot of would-be coke heads from establishing a habit.
  - Modified3019 2y ago
    I’m curious, what do amphetamines feel like to you that makes them addictive? For several months I took (extended release) dextroamphetamine and later lisdexamfetamine, because I was having a mental health crisis from a lifelong ignorance of ADHD(inattentive type), autism, and what was probably some sort of covid induced severe depression. This was in addition to Wellbutrin. While I’ve not found them useful in regards to the ADHD, the amphetamines seemed to be highly effective antidepressants in my case. The very first day I started, I felt something that wasn’t really euphoria, but more like a sense of wellbeing after months of daily spirals of passive suicidal ideation that would last for hours. But after that first day I basically felt no effects, other than not having depression. I didn’t feel good, I simply didn’t feel involuntarily bad anymore. Other effects -I was able to find a small degree of self satisfaction after working out (with a trainer, or it would not have happened), rather than it being 100% suck during and after, with the only motivation being intellectual. It should be noted that working out had no observable benefit towards my depression. -I was somewhat more chatty if I had lapsed taking the pills and had started again. -I think it somewhat negatively affected late evening drowsiness and energy levels during the day (made me more prone to wanting naps around noon) Eventually whatever was causing my underlying depression seemed to resolve, so I simply ceased taking the medications since there was simply no reason to continue. There is no desire to take my remaining pills, it’s just nice to have a tool known and available should I get another depression flare up. A blended mocha is far more tempting. So I’m curious what amphetamine addiction feels like, what do they do for you that pulls at you?

All stimulants enhance some functions to some degree, so that is a poor metric of value. Cocaine, for example, temporarily boosts intelligence, but consuming cocaine is not recommended.

eightysixfour 2y ago

Does cocaine temporarily boost intelligence? I thought it boosted the feeling of being intelligent.

austin-cheney 2y ago
It does. Intelligence is the capacity for learning potential and cocaine boosts the ability to retain and process learned sensory matter, even when sleepy. That is really the greatest appeal of that drug. Again, I strongly do not recommend reliance on any stimulants, especially powerful ones like cocaine.
- eightysixfour 2y ago
  Interesting can you cite a source? I found this: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2096405/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2096405/ which shows a consistent improvement in tests, but the performance increase was only 4%. I'd be willing to guess that the improvement would be higher when sleepy/fatigued (up to a point!) since it would increase the alertness of the user, but I have never seen anything that suggests cocaine boosts the ability to retain information.
  - zhengyi13 2y ago
    Anecdata here, but I met a person in university in the 90s who claimed: 1) they had access to really, really pure cocaine, and 2) they used it to study for tests. If I recall correctly, they were only using cocaine for the studying, not the test taking, and that they had good recall on tests.
chmod775 2y ago
> Does cocaine temporarily boost intelligence? I thought it boosted the feeling of being intelligent. For people who lack confidence or an ego, this may very well be the same thing. Just the urge to prove myself got me far in life. Sometimes I clearly struggle more than others, especially when surrounded by extremely smart people at university, but at the end of the day I've gotten much further than those who capitulated at the very beginning, claiming they're not smart enough. At this point I've taught things considered hard to a fair number of people, and those who give up for no objective reason at all vastly outnumber those who really (probably) can't do it. You can tell someone "it will probably take you twenty hours to understand this", and they'll still throw their hands in the air after one hour and declare they can't do it or just silently quit. Being a quitter is as bad as being stupid. Worse, because it's also a waste. So maybe instead of doing drugs, try to scrounge up some arrogance, confidence, pride, whatever it takes to make you hang in there.
- xanderlewis 2y ago
  There is a lot of wisdom in this comment. So many of the world’s most ‘accomplished’ people at first appear to have been born special and to be fundamentally different from the rest of us but usually aren’t; they simply got on with it and then persisted long enough to have great success. They didn’t let the little voice in their head that says they’re not as good as the others win — either because they consciously chose to fight it, or because they were lucky to be born without it at all. To that extent, some of us are born fundamentally special. It’s so incredibly true that even if you tell someone something’s hard and it’ll take a while to get they’re still likely to give up too early and feel inferior for not ‘getting it’. This is why almost everyone (at least in the western world) thinks they “can’t do math”.
- alias_neo 2y ago
  I've long believed most people can learn most things if they're willing (and able) to make the effort and have the right resources available to them. When I left university, I started a job writing Android apps that required high-performance and low-level stuff, at the start I couldn't imagine it ever being "easy", I struggled at first to understand it all, and often wondered if I'd ever be good at it; but over time as I learned more and more of it, it got easier, then a few short years later I was a team lead, teaching others. 10+ years before this, as a child, I couldn't imagine understanding how to compile a driver for Linux and the dependencies and so on, I was tinkering with distros and reverse engineering/cracking software as a young teen, fast forward to now, I run Linux exclusively, write software targeting it exclusively and teach others as team lead (different company, different team, different role, different software, no longer client-side) These are just two major examples that have affected my every day life, both of these things put me through immense frustration and took years to develop to "expert". There have been others, but my take away was that I've done it before, I can always do it again, it gets a bit harder and a bit slower with age, but I've more experience underpinning anything I do try to learn (tech or otherwise) and am better at learning. For me, it was all about proving myself, mostly to myself, and being unwilling to fail. These days, I pick and choose what it is if I don't believe I have the time or resources (or desire) to succeed, we don't have to be good at everything, just whats important; the aforementioned skills pay my bills, allow me and my family to live comfortably, etc. I could learn to play the piano (I still might), but I don't _need_ to.
guluarte 2y ago
No but increases focus

strken 2y ago

I remember having a look for papers relating to performance on cognitive tasks and caffeine, and not being able to find any high-quality studies that showed an improvement. Could you provide a source? Cocaine would be interesting too, although I've never searched for papers about it.

hnthrowaway0328 2y ago

I heard investment bankers rely on it from the 90s. How addictive it is?

austin-cheney 2y ago
Cocaine is less addictive than sugar and opium, but it is still considered highly addictive. I don't know how addictive.
ta988 2y ago
A lot. And what's "funny" for bankers is that the return on investment is clearly negative. It degrades your cognitive function over time, your nose if it is used by that route, your relations, etc like every psychostimulant (caffeine as well and roughly to the same extent), short term low dose use has some positive cognitive impact, but it goes down with repeated use and/or increased doses. in the end not really worth it if your objective is cognitive enhancement (and not talking about the societal impact in the zones of production, which at least with coffee you can control a little)
DontchaKnowit 2y ago
in my experience, not very addictive at all. But at the same time, I didn't have easy access to it, and I was already heavily addicted to amphetamines at the time, so maybe my experience isn't typical. But I was able to do some, wait a few days, do some more, etc. With amphetamines, If I had them, I was taking em all day every day. Also when you do the math on what a coke habit costs to maintain, its mind boggling. I think that in and of its self prevents a lot of would-be coke heads from establishing a habit.
- Modified3019 2y ago
  I’m curious, what do amphetamines feel like to you that makes them addictive? For several months I took (extended release) dextroamphetamine and later lisdexamfetamine, because I was having a mental health crisis from a lifelong ignorance of ADHD(inattentive type), autism, and what was probably some sort of covid induced severe depression. This was in addition to Wellbutrin. While I’ve not found them useful in regards to the ADHD, the amphetamines seemed to be highly effective antidepressants in my case. The very first day I started, I felt something that wasn’t really euphoria, but more like a sense of wellbeing after months of daily spirals of passive suicidal ideation that would last for hours. But after that first day I basically felt no effects, other than not having depression. I didn’t feel good, I simply didn’t feel involuntarily bad anymore. Other effects -I was able to find a small degree of self satisfaction after working out (with a trainer, or it would not have happened), rather than it being 100% suck during and after, with the only motivation being intellectual. It should be noted that working out had no observable benefit towards my depression. -I was somewhat more chatty if I had lapsed taking the pills and had started again. -I think it somewhat negatively affected late evening drowsiness and energy levels during the day (made me more prone to wanting naps around noon) Eventually whatever was causing my underlying depression seemed to resolve, so I simply ceased taking the medications since there was simply no reason to continue. There is no desire to take my remaining pills, it’s just nice to have a tool known and available should I get another depression flare up. A blended mocha is far more tempting. So I’m curious what amphetamine addiction feels like, what do they do for you that pulls at you?