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Not in Sweden, one of the countries the article refers to. https://www.pliktverket.se/monstring-och-varnplikt/monstring/monstringsunderlaget#svid12_7f5ae1d2179

Not in Sweden, one of the countries the article refers to. https://www.pliktverket.se/monstring-och-varnplikt/monstring/monstringsunderlaget#svid12_7f5ae1d217955bd4d84d3f0 https://www.pliktverket.se/monstring-och-varnplikt/monstring...

gus_massa 2y ago
How much time before 18 you must relocate abroad to be registered abroad? How much time after 18 you must wait to return? I guess 1 day before ypur bithday and 1 day after is not enought.
- fifilura 2y ago
  Says nothing about that, and if there were exceptions it should, since it is official documentation from the source. What you need to do is to change your adress to some place abroad, which you can do online here: https://www.skatteverket.se/privat/folkbokforing/flyttanmalan.4.76a43be412206334b89800018531.html https://www.skatteverket.se/privat/folkbokforing/flyttanmala... You have to understand that there is no huge outcry in Sweden about this, but rather a reasonable concensus. Maybe if the war was on us or on our doorstep it would have been different. 1. We have had conscription for most of the 1900s, it is only the last 10 years that was an anomaly. Your father (me) will probably be able to tell stories about it. 2. With the scale proposed and with both men and women eligble, it means that it is effectively voluntary. 3. There are enough young people around 20 that would not know exactly what to do anyway, so this can be seen as a good option to get some experience. 4. 1-3 needs to happen anyway to get political acceptance for this.
  - gus_massa 2y ago
    Hi from Argentina! We had conscription until ~1990, when one of the conscripts was killed by their teammates and lieutenant, and the body hidden so he was declared a desertor for a few weeks [1]. Old anecdotes are like: "John broke a glass and all of us were forced to stay in the regiment during the weekend sleeping outdoor." In any works it's clearly abuse, but it's a fun story in conscription. My father was a conscript during the "Blue and Red" revolt ("Azules y Colorados") [2]. I don't remember the details, but the Military Junta split and it was so difficult to understand which was the rebel side and the loyal side, that the sides were named just "Blue" and "Red". My father used to say he was in the "Green" side because both "Blue" and "Red" fired at him. Anyway, not having a nearby nuclear power with our name in their to-invade list makes things easier. [1] Autotranslation: https://es-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Caso_Carrasco?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://es-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Caso_Carrasco... Original: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caso_Carrasco https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caso_Carrasco [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_Argentine_Navy_revolt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_Argentine_Navy_revolt The article calls one side "Colored", but "Red" is a better translation.
    - fifilura 2y ago
      Hello Argentina :) One thing that seems very hard to understand in other countries is the general trust of the government in Sweden. Over and over again during the pandemic, we had to explain that we don't lock people up, they will listen to the recommendations. And it is probably the same thing here. I am hoping (since my general intention is to be optimistically-naive) is that the reboot will get rid of a lot of the abuse. There sure was a heap of that in the 90s. Particularly for the odd women that choose to serve. Nothing tangible that i know of, but just the regular "locker room talk" as a self-proclaimed land-father-figure would call it. It probably also helps that we have not been at war for 200 years. And for our neighbors Norway and in particular, they fought a purely defensive war for survival during WWII, so their motivation is probably even higher.
      - gus_massa 2y ago
        We had 4 monnth of full lockdown in the whole country and like 2 more month in Buenos Aires. (Kids had kindergarten by Zoom.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Argentina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Argentina
        gus_massa 2y ago
        Too late to edit: And still more death per million than Sweden (2.9K vs 2.6K). https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-cases-deaths-per-million?tab=table https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-cases-deaths-...
fifilura 2y ago
In Finland you are required ro participate though even if you live abroad. https://finlandabroad.fi/web/usa/varnplikt https://finlandabroad.fi/web/usa/varnplikt I don't know if they kept the conscription all along though unlike Sweden. There are many things to say with the Swedish restart. I would expect som improvements compared to last time. 1. Better salary. 2. Both men and women are expected to join. 3. There is a broader view of what conscription means. Defence is not only about military. It could be firefighting or nursing or taking care of elderly.

gus_massa 2y ago

How much time before 18 you must relocate abroad to be registered abroad? How much time after 18 you must wait to return? I guess 1 day before ypur bithday and 1 day after is not enought.

fifilura 2y ago
Says nothing about that, and if there were exceptions it should, since it is official documentation from the source. What you need to do is to change your adress to some place abroad, which you can do online here: https://www.skatteverket.se/privat/folkbokforing/flyttanmalan.4.76a43be412206334b89800018531.html https://www.skatteverket.se/privat/folkbokforing/flyttanmala... You have to understand that there is no huge outcry in Sweden about this, but rather a reasonable concensus. Maybe if the war was on us or on our doorstep it would have been different. 1. We have had conscription for most of the 1900s, it is only the last 10 years that was an anomaly. Your father (me) will probably be able to tell stories about it. 2. With the scale proposed and with both men and women eligble, it means that it is effectively voluntary. 3. There are enough young people around 20 that would not know exactly what to do anyway, so this can be seen as a good option to get some experience. 4. 1-3 needs to happen anyway to get political acceptance for this.
- gus_massa 2y ago
  Hi from Argentina! We had conscription until ~1990, when one of the conscripts was killed by their teammates and lieutenant, and the body hidden so he was declared a desertor for a few weeks [1]. Old anecdotes are like: "John broke a glass and all of us were forced to stay in the regiment during the weekend sleeping outdoor." In any works it's clearly abuse, but it's a fun story in conscription. My father was a conscript during the "Blue and Red" revolt ("Azules y Colorados") [2]. I don't remember the details, but the Military Junta split and it was so difficult to understand which was the rebel side and the loyal side, that the sides were named just "Blue" and "Red". My father used to say he was in the "Green" side because both "Blue" and "Red" fired at him. Anyway, not having a nearby nuclear power with our name in their to-invade list makes things easier. [1] Autotranslation: https://es-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Caso_Carrasco?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://es-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Caso_Carrasco... Original: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caso_Carrasco https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caso_Carrasco [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_Argentine_Navy_revolt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_Argentine_Navy_revolt The article calls one side "Colored", but "Red" is a better translation.
  - fifilura 2y ago
    Hello Argentina :) One thing that seems very hard to understand in other countries is the general trust of the government in Sweden. Over and over again during the pandemic, we had to explain that we don't lock people up, they will listen to the recommendations. And it is probably the same thing here. I am hoping (since my general intention is to be optimistically-naive) is that the reboot will get rid of a lot of the abuse. There sure was a heap of that in the 90s. Particularly for the odd women that choose to serve. Nothing tangible that i know of, but just the regular "locker room talk" as a self-proclaimed land-father-figure would call it. It probably also helps that we have not been at war for 200 years. And for our neighbors Norway and in particular, they fought a purely defensive war for survival during WWII, so their motivation is probably even higher.
    - gus_massa 2y ago
      We had 4 monnth of full lockdown in the whole country and like 2 more month in Buenos Aires. (Kids had kindergarten by Zoom.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Argentina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Argentina
      - gus_massa 2y ago
        Too late to edit: And still more death per million than Sweden (2.9K vs 2.6K). https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-cases-deaths-per-million?tab=table https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-cases-deaths-...

fifilura 2y ago

In Finland you are required ro participate though even if you live abroad. https://finlandabroad.fi/web/usa/varnplikt https://finlandabroad.fi/web/usa/varnplikt I don't know if they kept the conscription all along though unlike Sweden. There are many things to say with the Swedish restart. I would expect som improvements compared to last time. 1. Better salary. 2. Both men and women are expected to join. 3. There is a broader view of what conscription means. Defence is not only about military. It could be firefighting or nursing or taking care of elderly.