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I can avoid military service by emigrating. Still don't understand your point. Also, with the scale proposed in these countries it is in practice not really ma

I can avoid military service by emigrating. Still don't understand your point. Also, with the scale proposed in these countries it is in practice not really mandatory. If you don't want to you can say no. And certainly it is only a whole year if you are willing to serve that long.

egorfine 2y ago
> I can avoid military service by emigrating. This is something that I did not realize. If that works - perfect. > it is in practice not really mandatory This is what I was hoping for.
- fifilura 2y ago
  Yeah, i understand Ukraine has much stricter rules. Of course out of necessity, and things could change also here in case of such an emergency. But after all, the main point of a conscriptions (or any military) is not to kill Russians. It is to make sure they don't get the idea to come here in the first place. I am sorry this did not help Ukraine.
gus_massa 2y ago
It's ilegal to emigrate to avoid the draft. They will probably not make a Red Notice in Interpol, but if you ever want to return to meet your family you may get a fine or arrested and send to conscription. (Sometimes there are mass pardons after a few years, but it depends on the country.)
- fifilura 2y ago
  Not in Sweden, one of the countries the article refers to. https://www.pliktverket.se/monstring-och-varnplikt/monstring/monstringsunderlaget#svid12_7f5ae1d217955bd4d84d3f0 https://www.pliktverket.se/monstring-och-varnplikt/monstring...
  - gus_massa 2y ago
    How much time before 18 you must relocate abroad to be registered abroad? How much time after 18 you must wait to return? I guess 1 day before ypur bithday and 1 day after is not enought.
    - fifilura 2y ago
      Says nothing about that, and if there were exceptions it should, since it is official documentation from the source. What you need to do is to change your adress to some place abroad, which you can do online here: https://www.skatteverket.se/privat/folkbokforing/flyttanmalan.4.76a43be412206334b89800018531.html https://www.skatteverket.se/privat/folkbokforing/flyttanmala... You have to understand that there is no huge outcry in Sweden about this, but rather a reasonable concensus. Maybe if the war was on us or on our doorstep it would have been different. 1. We have had conscription for most of the 1900s, it is only the last 10 years that was an anomaly. Your father (me) will probably be able to tell stories about it. 2. With the scale proposed and with both men and women eligble, it means that it is effectively voluntary. 3. There are enough young people around 20 that would not know exactly what to do anyway, so this can be seen as a good option to get some experience. 4. 1-3 needs to happen anyway to get political acceptance for this.
      - gus_massa 2y ago
        Hi from Argentina! We had conscription until ~1990, when one of the conscripts was killed by their teammates and lieutenant, and the body hidden so he was declared a desertor for a few weeks [1]. Old anecdotes are like: "John broke a glass and all of us were forced to stay in the regiment during the weekend sleeping outdoor." In any works it's clearly abuse, but it's a fun story in conscription. My father was a conscript during the "Blue and Red" revolt ("Azules y Colorados") [2]. I don't remember the details, but the Military Junta split and it was so difficult to understand which was the rebel side and the loyal side, that the sides were named just "Blue" and "Red". My father used to say he was in the "Green" side because both "Blue" and "Red" fired at him. Anyway, not having a nearby nuclear power with our name in their to-invade list makes things easier. [1] Autotranslation: https://es-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Caso_Carrasco?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://es-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Caso_Carrasco... Original: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caso_Carrasco https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caso_Carrasco [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_Argentine_Navy_revolt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_Argentine_Navy_revolt The article calls one side "Colored", but "Red" is a better translation.

egorfine 2y ago

> I can avoid military service by emigrating. This is something that I did not realize. If that works - perfect. > it is in practice not really mandatory This is what I was hoping for.

fifilura 2y ago
Yeah, i understand Ukraine has much stricter rules. Of course out of necessity, and things could change also here in case of such an emergency. But after all, the main point of a conscriptions (or any military) is not to kill Russians. It is to make sure they don't get the idea to come here in the first place. I am sorry this did not help Ukraine.

gus_massa 2y ago

It's ilegal to emigrate to avoid the draft. They will probably not make a Red Notice in Interpol, but if you ever want to return to meet your family you may get a fine or arrested and send to conscription. (Sometimes there are mass pardons after a few years, but it depends on the country.)

fifilura 2y ago
Not in Sweden, one of the countries the article refers to. https://www.pliktverket.se/monstring-och-varnplikt/monstring/monstringsunderlaget#svid12_7f5ae1d217955bd4d84d3f0 https://www.pliktverket.se/monstring-och-varnplikt/monstring...
- gus_massa 2y ago
  How much time before 18 you must relocate abroad to be registered abroad? How much time after 18 you must wait to return? I guess 1 day before ypur bithday and 1 day after is not enought.
  - fifilura 2y ago
    Says nothing about that, and if there were exceptions it should, since it is official documentation from the source. What you need to do is to change your adress to some place abroad, which you can do online here: https://www.skatteverket.se/privat/folkbokforing/flyttanmalan.4.76a43be412206334b89800018531.html https://www.skatteverket.se/privat/folkbokforing/flyttanmala... You have to understand that there is no huge outcry in Sweden about this, but rather a reasonable concensus. Maybe if the war was on us or on our doorstep it would have been different. 1. We have had conscription for most of the 1900s, it is only the last 10 years that was an anomaly. Your father (me) will probably be able to tell stories about it. 2. With the scale proposed and with both men and women eligble, it means that it is effectively voluntary. 3. There are enough young people around 20 that would not know exactly what to do anyway, so this can be seen as a good option to get some experience. 4. 1-3 needs to happen anyway to get political acceptance for this.
    - gus_massa 2y ago
      Hi from Argentina! We had conscription until ~1990, when one of the conscripts was killed by their teammates and lieutenant, and the body hidden so he was declared a desertor for a few weeks [1]. Old anecdotes are like: "John broke a glass and all of us were forced to stay in the regiment during the weekend sleeping outdoor." In any works it's clearly abuse, but it's a fun story in conscription. My father was a conscript during the "Blue and Red" revolt ("Azules y Colorados") [2]. I don't remember the details, but the Military Junta split and it was so difficult to understand which was the rebel side and the loyal side, that the sides were named just "Blue" and "Red". My father used to say he was in the "Green" side because both "Blue" and "Red" fired at him. Anyway, not having a nearby nuclear power with our name in their to-invade list makes things easier. [1] Autotranslation: https://es-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Caso_Carrasco?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://es-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Caso_Carrasco... Original: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caso_Carrasco https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caso_Carrasco [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_Argentine_Navy_revolt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_Argentine_Navy_revolt The article calls one side "Colored", but "Red" is a better translation.