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Who uses ls anyway? I tab-complete until it lists the files I need. Just kidding. But on a more serious note, why does he claim ls is not maintained anymore?

hparadiz 2y ago
For some reason it became the norm to think that if some piece of software isn't updated regularly that it's inherently out of date.
- linkdd 2y ago
  For statically built executables, this might just be true. Since when you give up shared libraries, you give up on security upgrades without needing to rebuild the world.
  - Gormo 2y ago
    Or dynamically-linked binaries that are distributed via containers.
coffeeri 2y ago
I think they are not referring to ls, but to exa [0], which is not maintained anymore. [0]https://github.com/ogham/exa https://github.com/ogham/exa
- Izkata 2y ago
  No, they definitely mean "ls": > By deliberately making some decisions differently, eza attempts to be a more featureful, more user-friendly version of ls.
  - coffeeri 2y ago
    Yes, it is marketed as a better “ls”. I was commenting regarding “maintained” in: > A modern, maintained replacement for ls. “Maintained” is referring to exa I think.
    - kazinator 2y ago
      Right; since the sentence mentions ls, of course, it must be referring to something other than ls. Like when your wife finds a sexier, more romantic replacement for you, of course she's not comparing anyone to you. (Nobody is sexier or more romantic than you.) She means sexier and more romantic replacement compared to the previous lover she's just broken up with.
    - lynndotpy 2y ago
      Yes, exactly this. The original `exa`'s description is > exa is a modern replacement for `ls` and it seems `eza` very recently changed the README to match that, given the confusion. At the time, emphasizing it was actively maintained (in comparison to `exa`) made sense, but by now, `eza` has about 5x more daily downloads than `exa`: - https://crates.io/crates/eza https://crates.io/crates/eza - https://crates.io/crates/exa https://crates.io/crates/exa
  - cafkafk 2y ago
    We do not
    - verdverm 2y ago
      > A modern, maintained replacement for ls. The tag line certainly reads that way (first line in the readme)
nine_k 2y ago
Of course `ls` is maintained, as a part of your shell or of coreutils. But `eza` is a variation of `exa`, and the latter is no longer maintained, AFAICT.
ducktective 2y ago
Professional Linux masters just use the `echo *` shell built-in
kazinator 2y ago
Because he's deliberately confusing "maintained" with "actively developed" in order to insinuate that the existing tools is unmaintained.
- linkdd 2y ago
  The "maintained" refers to `exa`, which is also written in Rust. Rust binaries are static, which means they need to be rebuilt when security fixes are published on one of their dependencies. Without active development to at least update, the static binary becomes a liability. On another note, the developers on exa did explicitly say the project was unmaintained: https://github.com/ogham/exa/commit/fb05c421ae98e076989eb6e8b1bcf42c07c1d0fe https://github.com/ogham/exa/commit/fb05c421ae98e076989eb6e8...

hparadiz 2y ago

For some reason it became the norm to think that if some piece of software isn't updated regularly that it's inherently out of date.

linkdd 2y ago
For statically built executables, this might just be true. Since when you give up shared libraries, you give up on security upgrades without needing to rebuild the world.
- Gormo 2y ago
  Or dynamically-linked binaries that are distributed via containers.

coffeeri 2y ago

I think they are not referring to ls, but to exa [0], which is not maintained anymore. [0]https://github.com/ogham/exa https://github.com/ogham/exa

Izkata 2y ago
No, they definitely mean "ls": > By deliberately making some decisions differently, eza attempts to be a more featureful, more user-friendly version of ls.
- coffeeri 2y ago
  Yes, it is marketed as a better “ls”. I was commenting regarding “maintained” in: > A modern, maintained replacement for ls. “Maintained” is referring to exa I think.
  - kazinator 2y ago
    Right; since the sentence mentions ls, of course, it must be referring to something other than ls. Like when your wife finds a sexier, more romantic replacement for you, of course she's not comparing anyone to you. (Nobody is sexier or more romantic than you.) She means sexier and more romantic replacement compared to the previous lover she's just broken up with.
  - lynndotpy 2y ago
    Yes, exactly this. The original `exa`'s description is > exa is a modern replacement for `ls` and it seems `eza` very recently changed the README to match that, given the confusion. At the time, emphasizing it was actively maintained (in comparison to `exa`) made sense, but by now, `eza` has about 5x more daily downloads than `exa`: - https://crates.io/crates/eza https://crates.io/crates/eza - https://crates.io/crates/exa https://crates.io/crates/exa
- cafkafk 2y ago
  We do not
  - verdverm 2y ago
    > A modern, maintained replacement for ls. The tag line certainly reads that way (first line in the readme)

nine_k 2y ago

Of course `ls` is maintained, as a part of your shell or of coreutils. But `eza` is a variation of `exa`, and the latter is no longer maintained, AFAICT.

ducktective 2y ago

Professional Linux masters just use the `echo *` shell built-in

kazinator 2y ago

Because he's deliberately confusing "maintained" with "actively developed" in order to insinuate that the existing tools is unmaintained.

linkdd 2y ago
The "maintained" refers to `exa`, which is also written in Rust. Rust binaries are static, which means they need to be rebuilt when security fixes are published on one of their dependencies. Without active development to at least update, the static binary becomes a liability. On another note, the developers on exa did explicitly say the project was unmaintained: https://github.com/ogham/exa/commit/fb05c421ae98e076989eb6e8b1bcf42c07c1d0fe https://github.com/ogham/exa/commit/fb05c421ae98e076989eb6e8...