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> Programming is not fantastic for ADHD. Especially when majority of people don’t have ADHD to begin with. They are looking for an excuse for their lack of abil

by phito 2y ago

> Programming is not fantastic for ADHD. Especially when majority of people don’t have ADHD to begin with. They are looking for an excuse for their lack of ability to focus on a boring task. An excuse, or an explanation? I have ADHD and programming is and always has been fantastic for me, if the project is not boring.

wordofx 2y ago
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- ivell 2y ago
  I think ADHD is a well studied phenomenon and to brush it aside as just a lack of motivation is unjustified. People with ADHD are unable to focus even if they have the motivation.
- garbagewoman 2y ago
  > this is not ADHD what do you mean by "this" in that sentence?
- rcxdude 2y ago
  You do seem to be basically describing ADHD. Most people can direct their focus on something that doesn't immediately stimulate them, if they have the motivation for it. (while I'm not claiming this is exactly the situation, your posts put me in mind of the projection of some homophobes: (heavily paraphrasing:) "Well, of course everyone finds their own gender sexy, the gays just don't resist that impulse!" -> "Well of course everyone finds focus extremely difficult except for on a few specific activities, just some are using a disorder as an excuse!")
- numpad0 2y ago
  Most people can't focus on books. People with or discussing ADHD tend to miss that.
  - TeMPOraL 2y ago
    Yes. But that's the baseline. People with ADHD can't focus even more, on books and most of anything else. They're worse at the whole class of things relative to most people, which is what turns it into a diagnostic category.
- dailykoder 2y ago
  >We label people and throw drugs at them and call them abnormal when in reality they aren’t doing what makes them happy. We try to force them to be happy doing shit. We call them abnormal, because they are abnormal. It can be seen in brain scans, that the ADHD brain behaves different than most other brains. But that obviously doesn't imply that any Person with ADHD should take drugs because of that. Drugs are not a solution, they are an aid. Yes, people like different things.
  - tgaj 2y ago
    IMHO there is still no way to detect ADHD by brain scan. Please provide link, maybe my knowledge is outdated.
    - viraptor 2y ago
      I haven't heard of the brain scan part, but AA levels can be used as biomarkers https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.mehy.2013.11.018 https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.mehy.2013.11.018 Edit: found this https://sci-hub.se/https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1087054715611492 https://sci-hub.se/https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/... - apparently there are some indicators.
- lambdas 2y ago
  I couldn’t disagree more. I went to the doctors at 20 for suspect ADHD, I loved Maths more than anything but my degree was going terribly. I couldn’t focus on the correct things to get the work done, I had no sense of time or organisation, everything was an eternity away until it was due now. Time went on and it got worse and worse. Even non-academic, fun became a chore. Making music, playing games, going out; thinking about them became this litany of choices and todos I’d spiral down and I’d end up just sat there. Wasting time. But thinking how I could be enjoying myself, but unable to break myself labouring in thought of the gravity of execution needed. I got diagnosed last year, and a year ago on Thursday, at 31, started Elvanse. I can’t for a second understate how much my life has changed for the better. Not only can I now do the boring stuff that life needs (who knew mechanical engineers did so much dull paperwork and standards), the fun stuff came back too. I have no doubt that even if the rat race didn’t exist, if we lived in some languorous, indulgent utopia where we could do as we please every second, that I would be in bed. Miserable and crippled with option paralysis. It’s so one dimensional and offensive to whittle ADHD down to “everyone has a lack of focus, they need to do something else”. I don’t see any difference between that statement and saying “depression doesn’t exist, just be happy”.
  - Kiro 2y ago
    I think everyone should be prescribed Elvanse. I don't have ADHD but Elvanse feels like taking NZT. I become a superhuman.
    - arresin 2y ago
      If you actually have a normal functioning brain (imo) the detriments out weigh the benefits: you will do more but the quality will be lessened and you’ll have fewer insights. (Also this is apart from the ethics of abusing a medicine that is tenuously situated in the public mind but is literally life saving for a small population of people (untreated ADHD increases risk of early death and reduces lifespan more than smoking or diabetes)).
      - Kiro 2y ago
        Not my experience at all. I feel exactly the same as people with ADHD describe the effects. Why gatekeep such a miracle medicine?

by phito 2y ago

wordofx 2y ago

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ivell 2y ago
I think ADHD is a well studied phenomenon and to brush it aside as just a lack of motivation is unjustified. People with ADHD are unable to focus even if they have the motivation.
garbagewoman 2y ago
> this is not ADHD what do you mean by "this" in that sentence?
rcxdude 2y ago
You do seem to be basically describing ADHD. Most people can direct their focus on something that doesn't immediately stimulate them, if they have the motivation for it. (while I'm not claiming this is exactly the situation, your posts put me in mind of the projection of some homophobes: (heavily paraphrasing:) "Well, of course everyone finds their own gender sexy, the gays just don't resist that impulse!" -> "Well of course everyone finds focus extremely difficult except for on a few specific activities, just some are using a disorder as an excuse!")
numpad0 2y ago
Most people can't focus on books. People with or discussing ADHD tend to miss that.
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  Yes. But that's the baseline. People with ADHD can't focus even more, on books and most of anything else. They're worse at the whole class of things relative to most people, which is what turns it into a diagnostic category.
dailykoder 2y ago
>We label people and throw drugs at them and call them abnormal when in reality they aren’t doing what makes them happy. We try to force them to be happy doing shit. We call them abnormal, because they are abnormal. It can be seen in brain scans, that the ADHD brain behaves different than most other brains. But that obviously doesn't imply that any Person with ADHD should take drugs because of that. Drugs are not a solution, they are an aid. Yes, people like different things.
- tgaj 2y ago
  IMHO there is still no way to detect ADHD by brain scan. Please provide link, maybe my knowledge is outdated.
  - viraptor 2y ago
    I haven't heard of the brain scan part, but AA levels can be used as biomarkers https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.mehy.2013.11.018 https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.mehy.2013.11.018 Edit: found this https://sci-hub.se/https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1087054715611492 https://sci-hub.se/https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/... - apparently there are some indicators.
lambdas 2y ago
I couldn’t disagree more. I went to the doctors at 20 for suspect ADHD, I loved Maths more than anything but my degree was going terribly. I couldn’t focus on the correct things to get the work done, I had no sense of time or organisation, everything was an eternity away until it was due now. Time went on and it got worse and worse. Even non-academic, fun became a chore. Making music, playing games, going out; thinking about them became this litany of choices and todos I’d spiral down and I’d end up just sat there. Wasting time. But thinking how I could be enjoying myself, but unable to break myself labouring in thought of the gravity of execution needed. I got diagnosed last year, and a year ago on Thursday, at 31, started Elvanse. I can’t for a second understate how much my life has changed for the better. Not only can I now do the boring stuff that life needs (who knew mechanical engineers did so much dull paperwork and standards), the fun stuff came back too. I have no doubt that even if the rat race didn’t exist, if we lived in some languorous, indulgent utopia where we could do as we please every second, that I would be in bed. Miserable and crippled with option paralysis. It’s so one dimensional and offensive to whittle ADHD down to “everyone has a lack of focus, they need to do something else”. I don’t see any difference between that statement and saying “depression doesn’t exist, just be happy”.
- Kiro 2y ago
  I think everyone should be prescribed Elvanse. I don't have ADHD but Elvanse feels like taking NZT. I become a superhuman.
  - arresin 2y ago
    If you actually have a normal functioning brain (imo) the detriments out weigh the benefits: you will do more but the quality will be lessened and you’ll have fewer insights. (Also this is apart from the ethics of abusing a medicine that is tenuously situated in the public mind but is literally life saving for a small population of people (untreated ADHD increases risk of early death and reduces lifespan more than smoking or diabetes)).
    - Kiro 2y ago
      Not my experience at all. I feel exactly the same as people with ADHD describe the effects. Why gatekeep such a miracle medicine?