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If you think a little IP theft makes an entire country evil, I’d hate to know what you think of China. Note: OP edited his comment

jmprspret 2y ago
Yeah, they're evil too. As if saying one is evil means that the other isn't? Come on...
OutOfHere 2y ago
I just think there should be consistency between which laws apply to the country and which apply to its citizens. If IP theft is okay for the country, it should be okay for its citizens too.
- exe34 2y ago
  the laws aren't for the benefit of the citizens, they're there for benefits of the rich. does it make more sense now? that way you can have both spying being okay and sharing books being evil.
- ffgjgf1 2y ago
  To be fair IP law initially and too a large degree still were mainly meant to prevent your country’s citizens from stealing from other citizens/residents. Presumably that would result in lower overall productivity. Stealing IP from other countries is just pure profit though..
- Terr_ 2y ago
  > If IP theft is okay for the country, it should be okay for its citizens too. Hold up--by that logic, if a country has a military it should also be okay for its citizens to privately kill one another. Or: "The government is allowed to print bills and mint coins that look just like the real thing, so why can't I?"
  - OutOfHere 2y ago
    It is misleading to go from having a military to killing as if they're the same. They're not the same. A moral military is for self defense only, and self defense is always moral, whether for the military or for oneself. Regarding money, citizens however are free to mine non-governmental forms of money such as gold and bitcoin.
    - Terr_ 2y ago
      > > Hold up--by that logic [equally silly conclusion about murder] > It is misleading to go from having a military to killing as if they're the same. They're not the same. Almost there! Now finish the job by taking that crucial "hey that reasoning is sketchy" insight and look at how it also applies to your original argument. Ex: "It is misleading to go from having having a {national agency spying on other nations} to {casual theft} as if they're the same. They're not the same."
      - OutOfHere 2y ago
        Both are theft in the context of intellectual property, and so they are the same.
      - foverzar 2y ago
        It is misleading to go from patent infringement to casual theft. They're not the same.

jmprspret 2y ago

Yeah, they're evil too. As if saying one is evil means that the other isn't? Come on...

OutOfHere 2y ago

I just think there should be consistency between which laws apply to the country and which apply to its citizens. If IP theft is okay for the country, it should be okay for its citizens too.

exe34 2y ago
the laws aren't for the benefit of the citizens, they're there for benefits of the rich. does it make more sense now? that way you can have both spying being okay and sharing books being evil.
ffgjgf1 2y ago
To be fair IP law initially and too a large degree still were mainly meant to prevent your country’s citizens from stealing from other citizens/residents. Presumably that would result in lower overall productivity. Stealing IP from other countries is just pure profit though..
Terr_ 2y ago
> If IP theft is okay for the country, it should be okay for its citizens too. Hold up--by that logic, if a country has a military it should also be okay for its citizens to privately kill one another. Or: "The government is allowed to print bills and mint coins that look just like the real thing, so why can't I?"
- OutOfHere 2y ago
  It is misleading to go from having a military to killing as if they're the same. They're not the same. A moral military is for self defense only, and self defense is always moral, whether for the military or for oneself. Regarding money, citizens however are free to mine non-governmental forms of money such as gold and bitcoin.
  - Terr_ 2y ago
    > > Hold up--by that logic [equally silly conclusion about murder] > It is misleading to go from having a military to killing as if they're the same. They're not the same. Almost there! Now finish the job by taking that crucial "hey that reasoning is sketchy" insight and look at how it also applies to your original argument. Ex: "It is misleading to go from having having a {national agency spying on other nations} to {casual theft} as if they're the same. They're not the same."
    - OutOfHere 2y ago
      Both are theft in the context of intellectual property, and so they are the same.
    - foverzar 2y ago
      It is misleading to go from patent infringement to casual theft. They're not the same.