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This paper appears to assume that no revolutionary changes in energy production make it vastly more available. Am I misreading it? With projects like polywell f

by Ralith 14y ago

This paper appears to assume that no revolutionary changes in energy production make it vastly more available. Am I misreading it? With projects like polywell fusion reactors[1] showing great promise, I'm not sure if the conclusions drawn on that assumption are very predictive. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell

rubidium 14y ago
"calculated based on 27 years of data on historic energy trends, societal priorities, required mission energy, and the implications of the Incessant Obsolescence Postulate " Yes, you're right. He's assuming everything proceeds growing the way it is now. You gotta start somewhere when predicting the future.
- stfu 14y ago
  The problem is, that things like these create a misguided perception in the general public. Papers like these should be full of disclaimers that making predictions about any technology 200 years in the future is at best highly speculative. Ultimately I would argue the value of a constructed research like this is very little more than the work of a scifi author who just makes up some story based on the last 27 years of his life experience. The choice ultimately comes down to what method one prefers for speculating on what is going to happen 200 years from now.
pangram 14y ago
They assume an upper limit with 100% efficient conversion of matter to energy, so changing the energy production method shouldn't make a material difference. EDIT/UPDATE: Realized you might be talking about the total energy budget (i.e., their total energy budget that is then multiplied by the "Space Devotion Ratio.") Yeah, that could advance the timetable by some amount.
- Ralith 14y ago
  Additionally, the only mention I see of matter to energy conversion is an aside about efficiency of propulsion technology, not energy generation; it doesn't appear that they evaluate matter-energy conversion as an actual energy source at all.
snowwrestler 14y ago
What if there is a social upper limit on energy development? Ever-greater energy generation density and capacity means that any mistakes are likely to have correspondingly larger consequences. We should be using our remaining fossil fuels to fund the development of advanced nuclear power, which has much greater power density and capacity. Instead huge portions of society are pushing for solar and wind and geothermal etc, which are less dense and lower capacity. There simply is not the appetite to accept any nuclear fission accidents. And let's face it, accidents are inevitable on a long enough time span with complex new technologies. But we're not going to cross interstellar space on solar and wind.
- Ralith 14y ago
  > There simply is not the appetite to accept any nuclear fission accidents Well, that's part of the reason why fusion is attractive.

by Ralith 14y ago

rubidium 14y ago

"calculated based on 27 years of data on historic energy trends, societal priorities, required mission energy, and the implications of the Incessant Obsolescence Postulate " Yes, you're right. He's assuming everything proceeds growing the way it is now. You gotta start somewhere when predicting the future.

stfu 14y ago
The problem is, that things like these create a misguided perception in the general public. Papers like these should be full of disclaimers that making predictions about any technology 200 years in the future is at best highly speculative. Ultimately I would argue the value of a constructed research like this is very little more than the work of a scifi author who just makes up some story based on the last 27 years of his life experience. The choice ultimately comes down to what method one prefers for speculating on what is going to happen 200 years from now.

pangram 14y ago

They assume an upper limit with 100% efficient conversion of matter to energy, so changing the energy production method shouldn't make a material difference. EDIT/UPDATE: Realized you might be talking about the total energy budget (i.e., their total energy budget that is then multiplied by the "Space Devotion Ratio.") Yeah, that could advance the timetable by some amount.

Ralith 14y ago
Additionally, the only mention I see of matter to energy conversion is an aside about efficiency of propulsion technology, not energy generation; it doesn't appear that they evaluate matter-energy conversion as an actual energy source at all.

snowwrestler 14y ago

What if there is a social upper limit on energy development? Ever-greater energy generation density and capacity means that any mistakes are likely to have correspondingly larger consequences. We should be using our remaining fossil fuels to fund the development of advanced nuclear power, which has much greater power density and capacity. Instead huge portions of society are pushing for solar and wind and geothermal etc, which are less dense and lower capacity. There simply is not the appetite to accept any nuclear fission accidents. And let's face it, accidents are inevitable on a long enough time span with complex new technologies. But we're not going to cross interstellar space on solar and wind.

Ralith 14y ago
> There simply is not the appetite to accept any nuclear fission accidents Well, that's part of the reason why fusion is attractive.