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You have a really strong union.

buildsjets 2y ago
You are joking, right? You cannot seriously claim that NATCA is anything but a paper tiger if you knew anything about the history of ATC unionization in the USA. President Regan fired all 11,000 members of the actual strong ATC union, PATCO, and barred them from government jobs for life. NATCA never bothered to negotiate their rights back. Some REALLY strong union. https://libraries.uta.edu/news-events/blog/1981-patco-strike https://libraries.uta.edu/news-events/blog/1981-patco-strike
- standardUser 2y ago
  They collect pensions in their 50's. I'm not sure what metric you judge a union by, but most people look at things like pay and medical and when they collect pensions.
  - arrosenberg 2y ago
    > I'm not sure what metric you judge a union by Their ability to collectively bargain effectively. It doesn’t matter how good their current compensation is - they aren’t getting the fair market rate without the ability to bargain as a union. Its an example of government and corporate interests colluding to suppress labor wages.
    - standardUser 2y ago
      They make 6 figures with great benefits and retire young. By exactly how much are air traffic controllers being underpaid by market standards?
      - inferiorhuman 2y ago
        https://www.faa.gov/jobs/career_fields/aviation_careers https://www.faa.gov/jobs/career_fields/aviation_careers https://www.faa.gov/jobs/working_here/benefits https://www.faa.gov/jobs/working_here/benefits Median pay is $127,805 and by law the salary is capped at $221,900. Training salary starts at under $67,000 in the Bay Area and is much lower elsewhere. They can't strike and are actively being outsourced. Look up the KSQL controller on youtube to see how well that's going.
      - arrosenberg 2y ago
        They have an incredibly valuable and high stress job, and should be compensated appropriately. We don’t know their actual value, because as stated, they are not allowed to negotiate on even terms thanks to Ronald Reagan and the conservative anti-labor movement.

You are joking, right? You cannot seriously claim that NATCA is anything but a paper tiger if you knew anything about the history of ATC unionization in the USA. President Regan fired all 11,000 members of the actual strong ATC union, PATCO, and barred them from government jobs for life. NATCA never bothered to negotiate their rights back. Some REALLY strong union. https://libraries.uta.edu/news-events/blog/1981-patco-strike https://libraries.uta.edu/news-events/blog/1981-patco-strike

standardUser 2y ago
They collect pensions in their 50's. I'm not sure what metric you judge a union by, but most people look at things like pay and medical and when they collect pensions.
- arrosenberg 2y ago
  > I'm not sure what metric you judge a union by Their ability to collectively bargain effectively. It doesn’t matter how good their current compensation is - they aren’t getting the fair market rate without the ability to bargain as a union. Its an example of government and corporate interests colluding to suppress labor wages.
  - standardUser 2y ago
    They make 6 figures with great benefits and retire young. By exactly how much are air traffic controllers being underpaid by market standards?
    - inferiorhuman 2y ago
      https://www.faa.gov/jobs/career_fields/aviation_careers https://www.faa.gov/jobs/career_fields/aviation_careers https://www.faa.gov/jobs/working_here/benefits https://www.faa.gov/jobs/working_here/benefits Median pay is $127,805 and by law the salary is capped at $221,900. Training salary starts at under $67,000 in the Bay Area and is much lower elsewhere. They can't strike and are actively being outsourced. Look up the KSQL controller on youtube to see how well that's going.
    - arrosenberg 2y ago
      They have an incredibly valuable and high stress job, and should be compensated appropriately. We don’t know their actual value, because as stated, they are not allowed to negotiate on even terms thanks to Ronald Reagan and the conservative anti-labor movement.