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That isn't really what I meant :-) What I meant was that the DNC is still, somehow, a "big tent" party. The plurality demographic within that party is liberal;

That isn't really what I meant :-) What I meant was that the DNC is still, somehow, a "big tent" party. The plurality demographic within that party is liberal; if you add the next biggest groups on either side you get progressives (left) and centrists (right). The problem the DNC would face in a two-party ticket is that centrists would willingly go for such a split, liberals would be reluctant, and progressives and onwards would sit out of the vote in substantial numbers. Those sit-outs don't matter at the party level, but they do matter in general elections. (This is true regardless of the social/economic axes used to distinguish the party's demographics internally.)

sokoloff 2y ago
I’m not so sure they’d sit this one out in swing states.
- woodruffw 2y ago
  Me neither, but I know people who would! If I could get them to vote like me, all of this democracy stuff would be much easier :-)
Jensson 2y ago
> The plurality demographic within that party is liberal Not the European kind of liberal. They are "liberal" in that they want to track the race of everyone in the country etc. So not very liberal at all, in Europe those things are called extreme. Liberal means individualism, freedom of thought, meritocracy, Democrats are not very into those things, at least those things are not the strongest factions in the party today.
- woodruffw 2y ago
  Sure. I'm talking about US politics; do you do this to Australians too[1]? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Australia
  - Jensson 2y ago
    The topic is how Democrats compare to politics in other countries, why do you bring up something unrelated? My point is that the Democrats are very left wing on some issues when compared to the world. Sure not all democrats are as hard into those things, but they are still very into it compared to what is normal in other countries. So cooperating with Republicans might not be problematic in an economic kind of sense, but given that Democrats are so strongly to the left on other issues its a no-go. That was the topic.
    - woodruffw 2y ago
      No, the topic is US politics. I don't think it's even remotely controversial to observe that the US uses "liberal" differently than other countries with less insane politics do. That's why Australia is being brought up: the way they use "liberal" as a conservative political demographic has as much to do with how the US uses it as European countries do. Which is to say zilch.
      - Jensson 2y ago
        I am not criticizing the use of liberal here, I am saying that American liberals are very left wing since it isn't the right wing kind of liberal the rest of the world has.
        lanstin 2y ago
        I don't get this. Most of the rich world has universal health care, strong unions, shorter work weeks, longer paid vacations, uni seats for most anyone who can benefit, mass transit, even union reps on company boards, birth control, all that sort of lefty stuff.
        smackeyacky 2y ago
        Outsider here. Democrats are largely regarded as “Center right” outside of the US. I.e not very “left” at all.
- pstuart 2y ago
  > They are "liberal" in that they want to track the race of everyone in the country etc The US Census has tracked race from the beginning. America has always been very race conscious. > Liberal means individualism, freedom of thought, meritocracy, Democrats are not very into those things Depends on your point of view. There's plenty of examples that refute that, and plenty that show those values challenged in the opposing party. More so, the word is a label, not a credo; the party is a big tent. There's plenty of issue of concern about the Democratic party but not what you listed. I'm not a party member but find them less objectionable than their opponents.
kagakuninja 2y ago
A variety of media pundits suggest such ludicrous schemes every election year; we have a recent, laughable proposal that Democrats should nominate Mitt Fucking Romney (age 77). Interestingly, all these unity ticket proposals seem to demand Democrats bow to the whims of centrism with a split ticket; it is apparently perfectly reasonable for Republicans to have a ticket with two far right politicians, such as Trump / Vance.

sokoloff 2y ago

I’m not so sure they’d sit this one out in swing states.

woodruffw 2y ago
Me neither, but I know people who would! If I could get them to vote like me, all of this democracy stuff would be much easier :-)

Jensson 2y ago

> The plurality demographic within that party is liberal Not the European kind of liberal. They are "liberal" in that they want to track the race of everyone in the country etc. So not very liberal at all, in Europe those things are called extreme. Liberal means individualism, freedom of thought, meritocracy, Democrats are not very into those things, at least those things are not the strongest factions in the party today.

woodruffw 2y ago
Sure. I'm talking about US politics; do you do this to Australians too[1]? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Australia
- Jensson 2y ago
  The topic is how Democrats compare to politics in other countries, why do you bring up something unrelated? My point is that the Democrats are very left wing on some issues when compared to the world. Sure not all democrats are as hard into those things, but they are still very into it compared to what is normal in other countries. So cooperating with Republicans might not be problematic in an economic kind of sense, but given that Democrats are so strongly to the left on other issues its a no-go. That was the topic.
  - woodruffw 2y ago
    No, the topic is US politics. I don't think it's even remotely controversial to observe that the US uses "liberal" differently than other countries with less insane politics do. That's why Australia is being brought up: the way they use "liberal" as a conservative political demographic has as much to do with how the US uses it as European countries do. Which is to say zilch.
    - Jensson 2y ago
      I am not criticizing the use of liberal here, I am saying that American liberals are very left wing since it isn't the right wing kind of liberal the rest of the world has.
      - lanstin 2y ago
        I don't get this. Most of the rich world has universal health care, strong unions, shorter work weeks, longer paid vacations, uni seats for most anyone who can benefit, mass transit, even union reps on company boards, birth control, all that sort of lefty stuff.
      - smackeyacky 2y ago
        Outsider here. Democrats are largely regarded as “Center right” outside of the US. I.e not very “left” at all.
pstuart 2y ago
> They are "liberal" in that they want to track the race of everyone in the country etc The US Census has tracked race from the beginning. America has always been very race conscious. > Liberal means individualism, freedom of thought, meritocracy, Democrats are not very into those things Depends on your point of view. There's plenty of examples that refute that, and plenty that show those values challenged in the opposing party. More so, the word is a label, not a credo; the party is a big tent. There's plenty of issue of concern about the Democratic party but not what you listed. I'm not a party member but find them less objectionable than their opponents.

kagakuninja 2y ago

A variety of media pundits suggest such ludicrous schemes every election year; we have a recent, laughable proposal that Democrats should nominate Mitt Fucking Romney (age 77). Interestingly, all these unity ticket proposals seem to demand Democrats bow to the whims of centrism with a split ticket; it is apparently perfectly reasonable for Republicans to have a ticket with two far right politicians, such as Trump / Vance.