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> probably Harris is the simplest answer And probably the wrong answer. I don’t see her winning over swing voters. Gretchen Whitmer seems like the best option

by dimal 2y ago

> probably Harris is the simplest answer And probably the wrong answer. I don’t see her winning over swing voters. Gretchen Whitmer seems like the best option to me. I’d enjoy watching her debate Trump.

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netsharc 2y ago
The 2 parties' bases will vote for whoever their candidate is, and their work is just to convince the undecideds. An HN commenter a while ago wrote, they don't get who in the hell can be so stupid/ignorant to still be undecided in this election. I feel like to win them over, the candidates have to rely on the halo effect, ie. sadly even just on looks. The young and fit-looking Whitmer, or Newsom, seem to be the best candidates. It's shallow, but consider the voters. Obama's charisma and youth surely helped a lot. Trump is tall and he was a good-looking young man, and his swagger has let him get away with being a total POS for 77-78 years.
- NalNezumi 2y ago
  >An HN commenter a while ago wrote, they don't get who in the hell can be so stupid/ignorant to still be undecided in this election. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory Believe it or not, there are people in this world that is not immediately swayed by either waving your totem pole or burning the strawman with the opponents face. You witness a raging mob or a 100% sure fool once in your life and the magic of tribalists shouting loud being convincing, might shatter. Those will still be swayed by emotional or other marketing tactics that appeal to their convictions, but if they managed to stay undecided in such a polar political climate like USA, my guess is that what they see are two fanatic ends of the horseshoe, and they either decides to disengage from it all or take their time to assessment which one is the lesser dummheit[1] [1] https://nsjonline.com/article/2021/12/bonhoeffer-on-stupidity/ https://nsjonline.com/article/2021/12/bonhoeffer-on-stupidit...
- Workaccount2 2y ago
  The big thing isn't getting people to choose who to vote for, it's getting them motivated to come out and vote.
- adeelk93 2y ago
  > who in the hell can be so stupid/ignorant to still be undecided in this election We only know the name of the Republican candidate at this time. You can make your decision how you want, I’ll make mine when I see who I have to decide between.
dclowd9901 2y ago
Or, hell, Elizabeth Warren. She could beat the shit out of Trump in a debate, and has a list as long as you like of actually fighting for the middle class.
- insane_dreamer 2y ago
  Yeah I wonder why her name hasn’t come up. She has the political experience and she’s a firebrand.
- _proofs 2y ago
  you mean the same woman who has campaigned against, fear-mongered the risks of encryption vs. authority, and rallied for full control over software implementation(s) used by the public (and available to law enforcement/government et. al)? while she has admirable sympathies and even consistent policy, she has clearly demonstrated she's not opposed to pushing an agenda she does not understand.
superposeur 2y ago
Whitmer far and away best. But she’s had every opportunity to throw her hat in the ring and unfortunately the window for doing so is all but closed by now. She seems genuinely not to want it / lacks the courage to proactively make it happen.

by dimal 2y ago

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netsharc 2y ago

The 2 parties' bases will vote for whoever their candidate is, and their work is just to convince the undecideds. An HN commenter a while ago wrote, they don't get who in the hell can be so stupid/ignorant to still be undecided in this election. I feel like to win them over, the candidates have to rely on the halo effect, ie. sadly even just on looks. The young and fit-looking Whitmer, or Newsom, seem to be the best candidates. It's shallow, but consider the voters. Obama's charisma and youth surely helped a lot. Trump is tall and he was a good-looking young man, and his swagger has let him get away with being a total POS for 77-78 years.

NalNezumi 2y ago
>An HN commenter a while ago wrote, they don't get who in the hell can be so stupid/ignorant to still be undecided in this election. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory Believe it or not, there are people in this world that is not immediately swayed by either waving your totem pole or burning the strawman with the opponents face. You witness a raging mob or a 100% sure fool once in your life and the magic of tribalists shouting loud being convincing, might shatter. Those will still be swayed by emotional or other marketing tactics that appeal to their convictions, but if they managed to stay undecided in such a polar political climate like USA, my guess is that what they see are two fanatic ends of the horseshoe, and they either decides to disengage from it all or take their time to assessment which one is the lesser dummheit[1] [1] https://nsjonline.com/article/2021/12/bonhoeffer-on-stupidity/ https://nsjonline.com/article/2021/12/bonhoeffer-on-stupidit...
Workaccount2 2y ago
The big thing isn't getting people to choose who to vote for, it's getting them motivated to come out and vote.
adeelk93 2y ago
> who in the hell can be so stupid/ignorant to still be undecided in this election We only know the name of the Republican candidate at this time. You can make your decision how you want, I’ll make mine when I see who I have to decide between.

dclowd9901 2y ago

Or, hell, Elizabeth Warren. She could beat the shit out of Trump in a debate, and has a list as long as you like of actually fighting for the middle class.

insane_dreamer 2y ago
Yeah I wonder why her name hasn’t come up. She has the political experience and she’s a firebrand.
_proofs 2y ago
you mean the same woman who has campaigned against, fear-mongered the risks of encryption vs. authority, and rallied for full control over software implementation(s) used by the public (and available to law enforcement/government et. al)? while she has admirable sympathies and even consistent policy, she has clearly demonstrated she's not opposed to pushing an agenda she does not understand.

superposeur 2y ago

Whitmer far and away best. But she’s had every opportunity to throw her hat in the ring and unfortunately the window for doing so is all but closed by now. She seems genuinely not to want it / lacks the courage to proactively make it happen.