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Could you clarify what you think my agenda as a trans person is?

by iaaan 2y ago

pstuart 2y ago
Your agenda is to not be demonized or terrorized for the choices you made about your body, and your support for others in a similar situation. Is that close? I see the anti-trans movement as both horrifying and in a weird way encouraging. To address the latter, I find it encouraging in that it reflects that the previous anti movement (homophobia) has effectively failed and that ship has failed. Likewise, it's shown trans folk are everywhere and ultimately cannot be wished away. This subject disgusts me (I'm cis) -- people's gender/identity/sexuality/etc are literally their own business and the weaponizing of fear/ignorance/distaste about the subject is the height of cruelty and the lowest of political trickery to manipulate the population to vote solely based on hate.
- pwdisswordfishd 2y ago
  There's not really a unified "anti-trans movement", as different people have different reasons for opposing this. Like for instance you mention homophobia: > that the previous anti movement (homophobia) has effectively failed But one of these reasons for rejecting the ideology of "trans" is because it's homophobic. Consider the conventional understanding of homosexuality: a sexual orientation directed exclusively towards others of the same sex. The "trans" belief system overwrites this definition to instead be those who are attracted only to others with the same "gender identity". This means that a "trans woman" (male sex) who is only interested in "cis women" (female sex) would be a lesbian by this new definition - which effectively erases homosexuality in its original understanding, by including heterosexuals. In this case straight males. In the past few years, LGB organizations have been springing up to counter this new type of homophobia. Often driven by or allying with feminists, who have their own set of reasons to be critical of "trans".
  - pstuart 2y ago
    > There's not really a unified "anti-trans movement", as different people have different reasons for opposing this. Sure, lots of factions there but the GOP makes trans fear-mongering a cornerstone of their platform: over 600 anti-trans laws in the past 10 years (https://translegislation.com/learn https://translegislation.com/learn). I haven't bothered to check but, I wager that virtually all of them were put forth by politicians with an R by their name. > But one of these reasons for rejecting the ideology of "trans" is because it's homophobic. Ideology of trans? Is it like a mutation of the communist virus? And speaking of mutations, bravo on twisting my statement on homophobia into some squirrelly critique that justifies your fears. Regardless, my statement stands that this fear of yours (and others) has been weaponized and politicized very effectively but is ultimately on the wrong side of history. Again, I have no literal or figurative skin in this game, other than living in a world where ignorance and hate have been weaponized.
    - pwdisswordfishd 2y ago
      The Republican aversion to "trans" is the type that's built around promoting conservative gender roles, and is only a small part of the bigger picture of opposition. It's different in other countries. In the UK, for instance, most of the pushback has been from grassroots feminist organizations who point to the misogyny and sexism that's been enabled and promoted by "gender identity" beliefs being woven into policy and law. We do see it being challenged in this way the US too, from the left, e.g. - https://karadansky.substack.com/p/why-i-think-were-much-further-along https://karadansky.substack.com/p/why-i-think-were-much-furt... > Ideology of trans? The regressive belief that women and men are defined as "gender identities" rather than based upon the material biological reality of sex. > And speaking of mutations, bravo on twisting my statement on homophobia into some squirrelly critique that justifies your fears. It's not fear, this is reality. A couple of examples of this homophobia: - https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/03/trans-activists-shut-down-my-lesbian-speed-dating-event/ https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/03/trans-activists-shu... - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-57853385 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-57853385 > but is ultimately on the wrong side of history. I doubt it. The right side of history surely cannot be one that destroys every female space and erases homosexuality in the name of "progress".
BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
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SubiculumCode 2y ago
The problem with the parent's interpretation of my original comment is the binary classification of "sides" when I was making a general observation of the rubber band like social dynamics that comes when the stakes are large and exist under threat. I am cis in category, but my gender unicorn would provide a more nuanced story. I am an advocate and ally, but I am also a scientist who is preparing to do some research on the intersection of autism and gender diversity...a direction I never expected to take, but the data led me there. I'd love to write to you somehow and get your perspective on my project with D.Strang. If willing to write, please at: jk i le e at uc davis ignore spaces in address for spam
LorenPechtel 2y ago
I was talking about the researchers. I believe both sides are slanting the results. As for you--it's not a matter of agenda. I don't believe you (plural) have any malign agenda. For the most part, you be you. I expect it to be disclosed very early on in any romantic context but otherwise I do not care. I believe the case of sports isn't clear. Anyone who didn't experience male puberty will clearly function as female, but I'm not convinced that those who did experience male puberty don't gain an advantage from that.

Could you clarify what you think my agenda as a trans person is?

by iaaan 2y ago

Could you clarify what you think my agenda as a trans person is?

Your agenda is to not be demonized or terrorized for the choices you made about your body, and your support for others in a similar situation. Is that close? I see the anti-trans movement as both horrifying and in a weird way encouraging. To address the latter, I find it encouraging in that it reflects that the previous anti movement (homophobia) has effectively failed and that ship has failed. Likewise, it's shown trans folk are everywhere and ultimately cannot be wished away. This subject disgusts me (I'm cis) -- people's gender/identity/sexuality/etc are literally their own business and the weaponizing of fear/ignorance/distaste about the subject is the height of cruelty and the lowest of political trickery to manipulate the population to vote solely based on hate.

pwdisswordfishd 2y ago
There's not really a unified "anti-trans movement", as different people have different reasons for opposing this. Like for instance you mention homophobia: > that the previous anti movement (homophobia) has effectively failed But one of these reasons for rejecting the ideology of "trans" is because it's homophobic. Consider the conventional understanding of homosexuality: a sexual orientation directed exclusively towards others of the same sex. The "trans" belief system overwrites this definition to instead be those who are attracted only to others with the same "gender identity". This means that a "trans woman" (male sex) who is only interested in "cis women" (female sex) would be a lesbian by this new definition - which effectively erases homosexuality in its original understanding, by including heterosexuals. In this case straight males. In the past few years, LGB organizations have been springing up to counter this new type of homophobia. Often driven by or allying with feminists, who have their own set of reasons to be critical of "trans".
- pstuart 2y ago
  > There's not really a unified "anti-trans movement", as different people have different reasons for opposing this. Sure, lots of factions there but the GOP makes trans fear-mongering a cornerstone of their platform: over 600 anti-trans laws in the past 10 years (https://translegislation.com/learn https://translegislation.com/learn). I haven't bothered to check but, I wager that virtually all of them were put forth by politicians with an R by their name. > But one of these reasons for rejecting the ideology of "trans" is because it's homophobic. Ideology of trans? Is it like a mutation of the communist virus? And speaking of mutations, bravo on twisting my statement on homophobia into some squirrelly critique that justifies your fears. Regardless, my statement stands that this fear of yours (and others) has been weaponized and politicized very effectively but is ultimately on the wrong side of history. Again, I have no literal or figurative skin in this game, other than living in a world where ignorance and hate have been weaponized.
  - pwdisswordfishd 2y ago
    The Republican aversion to "trans" is the type that's built around promoting conservative gender roles, and is only a small part of the bigger picture of opposition. It's different in other countries. In the UK, for instance, most of the pushback has been from grassroots feminist organizations who point to the misogyny and sexism that's been enabled and promoted by "gender identity" beliefs being woven into policy and law. We do see it being challenged in this way the US too, from the left, e.g. - https://karadansky.substack.com/p/why-i-think-were-much-further-along https://karadansky.substack.com/p/why-i-think-were-much-furt... > Ideology of trans? The regressive belief that women and men are defined as "gender identities" rather than based upon the material biological reality of sex. > And speaking of mutations, bravo on twisting my statement on homophobia into some squirrelly critique that justifies your fears. It's not fear, this is reality. A couple of examples of this homophobia: - https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/03/trans-activists-shut-down-my-lesbian-speed-dating-event/ https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/03/trans-activists-shu... - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-57853385 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-57853385 > but is ultimately on the wrong side of history. I doubt it. The right side of history surely cannot be one that destroys every female space and erases homosexuality in the name of "progress".

BoingBoomTschak 2y ago

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SubiculumCode 2y ago

The problem with the parent's interpretation of my original comment is the binary classification of "sides" when I was making a general observation of the rubber band like social dynamics that comes when the stakes are large and exist under threat. I am cis in category, but my gender unicorn would provide a more nuanced story. I am an advocate and ally, but I am also a scientist who is preparing to do some research on the intersection of autism and gender diversity...a direction I never expected to take, but the data led me there. I'd love to write to you somehow and get your perspective on my project with D.Strang. If willing to write, please at: jk i le e at uc davis ignore spaces in address for spam

LorenPechtel 2y ago

I was talking about the researchers. I believe both sides are slanting the results. As for you--it's not a matter of agenda. I don't believe you (plural) have any malign agenda. For the most part, you be you. I expect it to be disclosed very early on in any romantic context but otherwise I do not care. I believe the case of sports isn't clear. Anyone who didn't experience male puberty will clearly function as female, but I'm not convinced that those who did experience male puberty don't gain an advantage from that.