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>Sounds like bad ram (clean contacts, re-seat, and test) Since he's taking about iGPU issues, he most likely has a laptop APU, so no RAM to reseat. I'm also h

>Sounds like bad ram (clean contacts, re-seat, and test) Since he's taking about iGPU issues, he most likely has a laptop APU, so no RAM to reseat. I'm also having similar issues on my Ryzen 7000 laptop. Kinda regret upgrading from the Ryzen 5000 laptop which AMD obsoleted just 2 years after I bought it, as at least that had no issues. Hopefully new drivers in the future will fix stability but you never know. What I do know, is that this will most likely be my last AMD machine if Intel shows improvement to match AMD, since their Linux driver support is just top notch.

Joel_Mckay 2y ago
Depends on the failure mode, as it is common for specs to drift around under load (also, temperature cycling stresses PCB, and can shear BGA connections.) I'd try a slower cheap set of lower-bandwidth/higher-latency ram sticks to see if it stops glitching up. If you are using low latency sticks (iGPU means this is usually recommended), than dropping the performance a bit may stabilize your specific equipment. Of course, I'm not that smart... so YMMV... =3
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  There are no sticks in my laptop. I was taking about soldered RAM as is he norm on recent high speed LPDDR5X laptops.
  - Joel_Mckay 2y ago
    Please pull the chip maker/model off your rig: sudo apt-get install cpu-x sudo cpu-x We may still be able to use this information to compare with other users glitches to see if there is some underlying similarity. Unfortunately, if it is a thermal stress/warping on the PCB cracking open RAM BGA balls on chips or shifting traces... One won't really be able to completely identify the intermittent issue. We were actually looking at buying a similar economy model earlier this year (ended up with a few classic Lenovo models instead)... so please be verbose with the make/model to help future searchers =3
    - Rinzler89 2y ago
      Can't be thermal, I checked.
      - Joel_Mckay 2y ago
        X-ray vision like Superman I gather... nice... ;) Please dump the problematic cpu/ram chip model numbers to help other users. These chip manufacturer numbers is not really personally identifiable information, as they are shared between hundreds of thousands of products. The classic cpu-z for Windows users is here if you don't run *nix: https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html Best regards, =3
        Rinzler89 2y ago
        >X-ray vision like Superman I gather... nice... ;) That snarkyness is uncalled for. I repasted the laptop, ran benchmarks and checked the temperature sensors plus used my FLIR. It's no thermal issues. It's just AMD iGPU driver buggyness. Processors Information ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Socket 1 ID = 0 Number of cores 8 (max 8) Number of threads 16 (max 16) Secondary bus # 0 Number of CCDs 1 Manufacturer AuthenticAMD Name AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS Codename Phoenix Specification AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS with Radeon 780M Graphics Package Socket FP7 CPUID F.4.1 Extended CPUID 19.74 Core Stepping PHX-A1 Technology 4 nm TDP Limit 54.0 Watts Tjmax 90.0 °C Core Speed 2761.5 MHz Multiplier x Bus Speed 27.71 x 99.6 MHz Base frequency (cores) 99.6 MHz Base frequency (mem.) 99.6 MHz Instructions sets MMX (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, SSE4A, x86-64, AES, AVX, AVX2, AVX512 (DQ, BW, VL, CD, IFMA, VBMI, VBMI2, VNNI, BITALG, VPOPCNTDQ, BF16), FMA3, SHA Microcode Revision 0xA704104 L1 Data cache 8 x 32 KB (8-way, 64-byte line) L1 Instruction cache 8 x 32 KB (8-way, 64-byte line) L2 cache 8 x 1024 KB (8-way, 64-byte line) L3 cache 16 MB (16-way, 64-byte line) Preferred cores 2 (#1, #3) Max CPUID level 0000000Dh Max CPUID ext. level 80000026h FID/VID Control yes # of P-States 3 P-State FID 0x898 - VID 0xBF (38.00x - 1.194 V) P-State FID 0x858 - VID 0xAB (22.00x - 1.069 V) P-State FID 0xA50 - VID 0x97 (16.00x - 0.944 V) PStateReg 0x80000000-0x49AFC898 PStateReg 0x80000000-0x45AAC858 PStateReg 0x80000000-0x4425CA50 PStateReg 0x00000000-0x00000000 PStateReg 0x00000000-0x00000000 PStateReg 0x00000000-0x00000000 PStateReg 0x00000000-0x00000000 PStateReg 0x00000000-0x00000000 Package Type 0x4 Model 00 String 1 0x0 String 2 0x0 Page 0x0 Power Unit 0.0 SMU Version 76.73.00 TDP/TJMAX 0x36005A TCTL Offset 0x0 PMTV 004C0008 Package Power Tracking (PPT) 54.0 W (current) Package Power Limit #1 (long) 35.0 W Package Power Limit #2 (short) 25.0 W DMI Physical Memory Array location Motherboard usage System Memory correction None max capacity 64 GB max# of devices 4 DMI Memory Device designation DIMM 0 format Row of chips type LPDDR5 total width 32 bits data width 32 bits size 8 GB speed 6400 MHz manufacturer Micron Technology part number MT62F2G32D4DS-026 WT serial number 00000000 voltage 0.500000 manufacturer id 0x2C80 product id 0x0 Display adapter 0 (primary) ID 0x2180003 Name AMD RadeonT 780M Board Manufacturer Lenovo Codename Phoenix Cores 768 ROP Units 16 Technology 4 nm Memory size 1024 MB Current Link Width x16 Current Link Speed 16.0 GT/s PCI device bus 99 (0x63), device 0 (0x0), function 0 (0x0) Vendor ID 0x1002 (0x17AA) Model ID 0x15BF (0x3819) Revision ID 0xC7 Root device bus 0 (0x0), device 8 (0x8), function 1 (0x1) Performance Level Current Core clock 800.0 MHz Shader clock 400.0 MHz Memory clock 800.0 MHz Driver version 32.0.11021.1011 WDDM Model 3.1
zigzag312 2y ago
Desktop Ryzen 7950X. Increasing the VRAM size (UMA size) to 4 GB fixed the frequent driver timeouts for me. Reverting to older driver (driver cleaner -> driver v23.11.1) fixed the memory leak. This memory leak is weird since PoolMon doesn't show anything unusual. Nothing shows as using too much memory anywhere, except committed memory size grows to over 100GB after few days of uptime and RamMap shows a large amount of unused-active memory.
- baq 2y ago
  GPUs have the most complex drivers in the whole system, we're talking tens of millions LOCs, so it is absolutely not surprising that you're having issues like that given how recent AMD's investment into APUs is. I wouldn't use them for a few more years; get a cheap discrete GPU from nvidia or maybe even from Intel.
  - Joel_Mckay 2y ago
    The rtx3090 is an Ampere gpu, and will apparently be supported in the new open nVidia driver release. Should get interesting soon =)
    - sekh60 2y ago
      In Nova? Or just the in-kernel component?
      - Joel_Mckay 2y ago
        Press release: https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-transitions-fully-towards-open-source-gpu-kernel-modules/ https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-transitions-fully-t... Yet to personally try it out, but this should eventually enable better integration with the library ecosystems. =3
  - onli 2y ago
    Hm? AMD's investing in APUs is not a new thing, that's going back to the FX days with their FM1 socket. Since Ryzen 1 they have their G APUs, and their integrated graphics power the steamdeck and many other mobile handhelds. Plus, Intel's integrated graphics are known for their driver issues (and so is Arc, for now), so I'd disagree with that recommendation.

Joel_Mckay 2y ago

Depends on the failure mode, as it is common for specs to drift around under load (also, temperature cycling stresses PCB, and can shear BGA connections.) I'd try a slower cheap set of lower-bandwidth/higher-latency ram sticks to see if it stops glitching up. If you are using low latency sticks (iGPU means this is usually recommended), than dropping the performance a bit may stabilize your specific equipment. Of course, I'm not that smart... so YMMV... =3

Rinzler89 2y ago
There are no sticks in my laptop. I was taking about soldered RAM as is he norm on recent high speed LPDDR5X laptops.
- Joel_Mckay 2y ago
  Please pull the chip maker/model off your rig: sudo apt-get install cpu-x sudo cpu-x We may still be able to use this information to compare with other users glitches to see if there is some underlying similarity. Unfortunately, if it is a thermal stress/warping on the PCB cracking open RAM BGA balls on chips or shifting traces... One won't really be able to completely identify the intermittent issue. We were actually looking at buying a similar economy model earlier this year (ended up with a few classic Lenovo models instead)... so please be verbose with the make/model to help future searchers =3
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    Can't be thermal, I checked.
    - Joel_Mckay 2y ago
      X-ray vision like Superman I gather... nice... ;) Please dump the problematic cpu/ram chip model numbers to help other users. These chip manufacturer numbers is not really personally identifiable information, as they are shared between hundreds of thousands of products. The classic cpu-z for Windows users is here if you don't run *nix: https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html Best regards, =3
      - Rinzler89 2y ago
        >X-ray vision like Superman I gather... nice... ;) That snarkyness is uncalled for. I repasted the laptop, ran benchmarks and checked the temperature sensors plus used my FLIR. It's no thermal issues. It's just AMD iGPU driver buggyness. Processors Information ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Socket 1 ID = 0 Number of cores 8 (max 8) Number of threads 16 (max 16) Secondary bus # 0 Number of CCDs 1 Manufacturer AuthenticAMD Name AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS Codename Phoenix Specification AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS with Radeon 780M Graphics Package Socket FP7 CPUID F.4.1 Extended CPUID 19.74 Core Stepping PHX-A1 Technology 4 nm TDP Limit 54.0 Watts Tjmax 90.0 °C Core Speed 2761.5 MHz Multiplier x Bus Speed 27.71 x 99.6 MHz Base frequency (cores) 99.6 MHz Base frequency (mem.) 99.6 MHz Instructions sets MMX (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, SSE4A, x86-64, AES, AVX, AVX2, AVX512 (DQ, BW, VL, CD, IFMA, VBMI, VBMI2, VNNI, BITALG, VPOPCNTDQ, BF16), FMA3, SHA Microcode Revision 0xA704104 L1 Data cache 8 x 32 KB (8-way, 64-byte line) L1 Instruction cache 8 x 32 KB (8-way, 64-byte line) L2 cache 8 x 1024 KB (8-way, 64-byte line) L3 cache 16 MB (16-way, 64-byte line) Preferred cores 2 (#1, #3) Max CPUID level 0000000Dh Max CPUID ext. level 80000026h FID/VID Control yes # of P-States 3 P-State FID 0x898 - VID 0xBF (38.00x - 1.194 V) P-State FID 0x858 - VID 0xAB (22.00x - 1.069 V) P-State FID 0xA50 - VID 0x97 (16.00x - 0.944 V) PStateReg 0x80000000-0x49AFC898 PStateReg 0x80000000-0x45AAC858 PStateReg 0x80000000-0x4425CA50 PStateReg 0x00000000-0x00000000 PStateReg 0x00000000-0x00000000 PStateReg 0x00000000-0x00000000 PStateReg 0x00000000-0x00000000 PStateReg 0x00000000-0x00000000 Package Type 0x4 Model 00 String 1 0x0 String 2 0x0 Page 0x0 Power Unit 0.0 SMU Version 76.73.00 TDP/TJMAX 0x36005A TCTL Offset 0x0 PMTV 004C0008 Package Power Tracking (PPT) 54.0 W (current) Package Power Limit #1 (long) 35.0 W Package Power Limit #2 (short) 25.0 W DMI Physical Memory Array location Motherboard usage System Memory correction None max capacity 64 GB max# of devices 4 DMI Memory Device designation DIMM 0 format Row of chips type LPDDR5 total width 32 bits data width 32 bits size 8 GB speed 6400 MHz manufacturer Micron Technology part number MT62F2G32D4DS-026 WT serial number 00000000 voltage 0.500000 manufacturer id 0x2C80 product id 0x0 Display adapter 0 (primary) ID 0x2180003 Name AMD RadeonT 780M Board Manufacturer Lenovo Codename Phoenix Cores 768 ROP Units 16 Technology 4 nm Memory size 1024 MB Current Link Width x16 Current Link Speed 16.0 GT/s PCI device bus 99 (0x63), device 0 (0x0), function 0 (0x0) Vendor ID 0x1002 (0x17AA) Model ID 0x15BF (0x3819) Revision ID 0xC7 Root device bus 0 (0x0), device 8 (0x8), function 1 (0x1) Performance Level Current Core clock 800.0 MHz Shader clock 400.0 MHz Memory clock 800.0 MHz Driver version 32.0.11021.1011 WDDM Model 3.1

zigzag312 2y ago

Desktop Ryzen 7950X. Increasing the VRAM size (UMA size) to 4 GB fixed the frequent driver timeouts for me. Reverting to older driver (driver cleaner -> driver v23.11.1) fixed the memory leak. This memory leak is weird since PoolMon doesn't show anything unusual. Nothing shows as using too much memory anywhere, except committed memory size grows to over 100GB after few days of uptime and RamMap shows a large amount of unused-active memory.

baq 2y ago
GPUs have the most complex drivers in the whole system, we're talking tens of millions LOCs, so it is absolutely not surprising that you're having issues like that given how recent AMD's investment into APUs is. I wouldn't use them for a few more years; get a cheap discrete GPU from nvidia or maybe even from Intel.
- Joel_Mckay 2y ago
  The rtx3090 is an Ampere gpu, and will apparently be supported in the new open nVidia driver release. Should get interesting soon =)
  - sekh60 2y ago
    In Nova? Or just the in-kernel component?
    - Joel_Mckay 2y ago
      Press release: https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-transitions-fully-towards-open-source-gpu-kernel-modules/ https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-transitions-fully-t... Yet to personally try it out, but this should eventually enable better integration with the library ecosystems. =3
- onli 2y ago
  Hm? AMD's investing in APUs is not a new thing, that's going back to the FX days with their FM1 socket. Since Ryzen 1 they have their G APUs, and their integrated graphics power the steamdeck and many other mobile handhelds. Plus, Intel's integrated graphics are known for their driver issues (and so is Arc, for now), so I'd disagree with that recommendation.