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>China is using more energy and resources that rest of the world combined This isn't obviously true even with a cursory glance at the statistics (https://en.wi

by tziki 2y ago

>China is using more energy and resources that rest of the world combined This isn't obviously true even with a cursory glance at the statistics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_consumption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electrici...). This isn't the forum to fire off false one-liners.

kkfx 2y ago
Not GP but... I have some doubt on Wikipedia data: I'm from Italy, living in France, and well... Italy is the ONLY (AFAIK) country in the world with a mean domestic electricity contract limited at 3kW, here it's common 36kW (12 per phase) just as a small comparison, so I highly doubt a mean Italian can consume 5MWh/year... Of course data per-se are the same Terna (the grid operator) cite, but I think they have computed something weird mixing industry and residential, because: - in Italy only very few have electricity to heat - A/C is still not that common - BEVs are still not common at all While in France electrical heating is definitively common, albeit not the sole source of heat for most. Essentially: I think such data need much more proof on how they are collected before being trusted.
- Arnt 2y ago
  I think the factor you're overlooking may be the use by industry.
- coumbaya 2y ago
  36kW is far from common in france. Heck, event 3-phase is not that common. I've never known anyone with 36kW except farmers. According to ADEME, 6kW is the most common with 70% of (I think) non-commercial subscriptions.
  - kkfx 2y ago
    I'm in Alpes de Haute Provence, essentially al homes here are three-phase 36kVA to be precise witch is a little less than 36kW indeed. New homes tend to be 12kW monophase if there is no pool or EVs. Only apartments are 6-9kW. 6kW is the minimum you can get, the cheapest offer, but it's mostly a city thing. Not so small apartments are 9, old homes with new contracts vary from 9-12 mono or 36 threephase but while I have no general statistics that's still pretty common in the "countryside".

by tziki 2y ago

kkfx 2y ago

Not GP but... I have some doubt on Wikipedia data: I'm from Italy, living in France, and well... Italy is the ONLY (AFAIK) country in the world with a mean domestic electricity contract limited at 3kW, here it's common 36kW (12 per phase) just as a small comparison, so I highly doubt a mean Italian can consume 5MWh/year... Of course data per-se are the same Terna (the grid operator) cite, but I think they have computed something weird mixing industry and residential, because: - in Italy only very few have electricity to heat - A/C is still not that common - BEVs are still not common at all While in France electrical heating is definitively common, albeit not the sole source of heat for most. Essentially: I think such data need much more proof on how they are collected before being trusted.

Arnt 2y ago
I think the factor you're overlooking may be the use by industry.
coumbaya 2y ago
36kW is far from common in france. Heck, event 3-phase is not that common. I've never known anyone with 36kW except farmers. According to ADEME, 6kW is the most common with 70% of (I think) non-commercial subscriptions.
- kkfx 2y ago
  I'm in Alpes de Haute Provence, essentially al homes here are three-phase 36kVA to be precise witch is a little less than 36kW indeed. New homes tend to be 12kW monophase if there is no pool or EVs. Only apartments are 6-9kW. 6kW is the minimum you can get, the cheapest offer, but it's mostly a city thing. Not so small apartments are 9, old homes with new contracts vary from 9-12 mono or 36 threephase but while I have no general statistics that's still pretty common in the "countryside".