4 ms·

What a time that was... Really glad it is over and that it never got the point of me ever seeing such a thing.

redrove 2y ago
Are you actually insinuating there still isn’t a pandemic going on or am I misreading your comment? I don’t see how this couldn’t possible be anything but beneficial in public places.
- baggy_trough 2y ago
  I mean, there isn't? Just endemic viruses, as we always have had, and always will have.
  - redrove 2y ago
    Putting that aside, don’t you then agree ventilation in public spaces is useful for obvious health reasons?
    - constantcrying 2y ago
      Hilariously Air conditioning is very common in the US but very uncommon in Europe. Is there actually any evidence of a positive effect?
      - eep_social 2y ago
        The Minergie (Swiss) folks probably have a 90 page application guide that goes into those kinds of details: https://www.minergie.com/media/guia_de_aplicacion_latam_v2023_1_en.pdf https://www.minergie.com/media/guia_de_aplicacion_latam_v202...
        constantcrying 2y ago
        Why are you just sending me a 90 page PDF about housing regulation. Obviously that does not contain a shred of scientific evidence that filtering certain particles reduces transmission of infectious diseases. Genuinely no idea what you are thinking with this or what the point of that PDF is.
        eep_social 2y ago
        > housing regulation is it? I think you may want to do some research of your own.
        constantcrying 2y ago
        Your document contains zero relevant information and you refused to point to any specific part of its 90 pages. Obviously you have no evidence for your claims and you made stuff up by linking to an irrelevant document and then being extremely obtuse and annoying when being asked to substantiate what you are saying or even to specify why the document contains relevant information. If you have zero evidence of a claim being true, stop making it.
        eep_social 2y ago
        Great discussion thanks!
        Vegemeister 2y ago
        Clown if you want, but he's absolutely right. There is exactly one sentence in that entire damn thing that comes close to touching on the question of why ventilation is desirable, and it is: >Pleasant, healthy air to breathe is the most important food for human beings.
        eep_social 2y ago
        I’m clowning because OP seems to be mostly dedicated to whining. To your point, the original post requested information specific to European standards where AC is not common. I don't care to spend time solving internet stranger’s problems but Minergie would be a good place to start because they presumably didn’t fabricate their standards. A curious, motivated person could track down whatever they’ve published, which is most likely in German.
    - baggy_trough 2y ago
      That case would have to be made scientifically by credible researchers, which is a lot to ask these days.
- _def 2y ago
  Maybe they are referencing that the article is from Dec 2020. I agree, it still seems highly useful.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  Not a pandemic that has any relevance to me, above the prevalence of the common cold.
nequo 2y ago
This is about more than pandemics, it is about indoor air quality in crowded spaces: “Our system also solves the long-standing problem of CO2 in classrooms, because it not only transports aerosols outside. It also cuts CO2 accumulation, helping students to concentrate better on their lessons.”
- constantcrying 2y ago
  Oh, so Europeans have finally invented air conditioning? Of course when I was in school we opened the windows to solve this massive issue, but times change I guess. Hopefully they also have an app, for the kids.
  - pixelfarmer 2y ago
    This whole system was aimed at minimizing the infection rates between students which you won't solve by just opening the windows. Imagine you have some smoker indoors: How do you transport off that cancer inducing poisonous cloud without distributing it in the whole place? Plus in Germany there are quite a few schools located directly at heavily used streets, so just opening windows will not exactly give you really fresh air (I mean, it will lower the CO2, but otherwise its going from one bad state into another), plus it increases the noise levels considerably. And yes, ACs are still uncommon in Germany. In return, most buildings, including suburb style homes, are not just made from cardboard. This means the buildings have a lot of thermal inertia which can be used to manage heat during hotter phases.
  - jimkleiber 2y ago
    I'm not sure if you've ever lived in a place where you're not supposed to drink the tap water because it can bring a lot of disease. I think we as humans realized that water carried a lot of disease and in many places started treating water much better to protect our health. To me it seems very logical that we should also treat the air to protect our health from diseases carried in the air.
    - constantcrying 2y ago

Are you actually insinuating there still isn’t a pandemic going on or am I misreading your comment? I don’t see how this couldn’t possible be anything but beneficial in public places.

baggy_trough 2y ago
I mean, there isn't? Just endemic viruses, as we always have had, and always will have.
- redrove 2y ago
  Putting that aside, don’t you then agree ventilation in public spaces is useful for obvious health reasons?
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    Hilariously Air conditioning is very common in the US but very uncommon in Europe. Is there actually any evidence of a positive effect?
    - eep_social 2y ago
      The Minergie (Swiss) folks probably have a 90 page application guide that goes into those kinds of details: https://www.minergie.com/media/guia_de_aplicacion_latam_v2023_1_en.pdf https://www.minergie.com/media/guia_de_aplicacion_latam_v202...
      - constantcrying 2y ago
        Why are you just sending me a 90 page PDF about housing regulation. Obviously that does not contain a shred of scientific evidence that filtering certain particles reduces transmission of infectious diseases. Genuinely no idea what you are thinking with this or what the point of that PDF is.
        eep_social 2y ago
        > housing regulation is it? I think you may want to do some research of your own.
        constantcrying 2y ago
        Your document contains zero relevant information and you refused to point to any specific part of its 90 pages. Obviously you have no evidence for your claims and you made stuff up by linking to an irrelevant document and then being extremely obtuse and annoying when being asked to substantiate what you are saying or even to specify why the document contains relevant information. If you have zero evidence of a claim being true, stop making it.
        eep_social 2y ago
        Great discussion thanks!
        Vegemeister 2y ago
        Clown if you want, but he's absolutely right. There is exactly one sentence in that entire damn thing that comes close to touching on the question of why ventilation is desirable, and it is: >Pleasant, healthy air to breathe is the most important food for human beings.
        eep_social 2y ago
        I’m clowning because OP seems to be mostly dedicated to whining. To your point, the original post requested information specific to European standards where AC is not common. I don't care to spend time solving internet stranger’s problems but Minergie would be a good place to start because they presumably didn’t fabricate their standards. A curious, motivated person could track down whatever they’ve published, which is most likely in German.
  - baggy_trough 2y ago
    That case would have to be made scientifically by credible researchers, which is a lot to ask these days.
_def 2y ago
Maybe they are referencing that the article is from Dec 2020. I agree, it still seems highly useful.
constantcrying 2y ago
Not a pandemic that has any relevance to me, above the prevalence of the common cold.

nequo 2y ago

This is about more than pandemics, it is about indoor air quality in crowded spaces: “Our system also solves the long-standing problem of CO2 in classrooms, because it not only transports aerosols outside. It also cuts CO2 accumulation, helping students to concentrate better on their lessons.”

constantcrying 2y ago
Oh, so Europeans have finally invented air conditioning? Of course when I was in school we opened the windows to solve this massive issue, but times change I guess. Hopefully they also have an app, for the kids.
- pixelfarmer 2y ago
  This whole system was aimed at minimizing the infection rates between students which you won't solve by just opening the windows. Imagine you have some smoker indoors: How do you transport off that cancer inducing poisonous cloud without distributing it in the whole place? Plus in Germany there are quite a few schools located directly at heavily used streets, so just opening windows will not exactly give you really fresh air (I mean, it will lower the CO2, but otherwise its going from one bad state into another), plus it increases the noise levels considerably. And yes, ACs are still uncommon in Germany. In return, most buildings, including suburb style homes, are not just made from cardboard. This means the buildings have a lot of thermal inertia which can be used to manage heat during hotter phases.
- jimkleiber 2y ago
  I'm not sure if you've ever lived in a place where you're not supposed to drink the tap water because it can bring a lot of disease. I think we as humans realized that water carried a lot of disease and in many places started treating water much better to protect our health. To me it seems very logical that we should also treat the air to protect our health from diseases carried in the air.
  - constantcrying 2y ago