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There is a lot of insinuation here without a lot of facts. But I can tell you this: If the world treated transgender people with kindness and acceptance and wit
by SubiculumCode 2y ago
There is a lot of insinuation here without a lot of facts. But I can tell you this: If the world treated transgender people with kindness and acceptance and without constant and oppressive threats and hate, barely veiled insinuations about pedophilia, etcetera,then you would not have a reflexive, advocate-first mindset being so dominate.
Like begets like, but in opposition. Radicals beget radicals, the right and the left.
Male chauvinism ruled the world, but a feminist movement arises, among some, overshoots into female chauvinism, begetting renewed male chauvinistic radicalism.
Radicalism is often necessary to effect change, because radicals don't see nuance, and when you don't see nuance, taking action...even risky action, is easier to justify.
The story has been told millions of times.
If you want better science in gender affirming care: 1) fund it, 2) don't make it scary for the scientists who do study it, as death threats are the norm, 3) dont interpret studies with preexisting agendas.
Identifying who will and who will not benefit from gender affirming care is important, but investigating one or the other can't be seen as claiming allegiance to one camp or another.
- finnpy 2y ago[flagged]
- drewcoo 2y ago> radicals don't see nuance Hard disagree. A nuanced view, the ability to tease differences apart, is disruptive to the status quo. Radicalism is often the embrace of nuance that other people deny exists.
- OKRainbowKid 2y agoInteresting interpretation, that seems to be almost diametrically opposed to this definition from https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/radical https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/radical "relating to the most important parts of something or someone; complete or extreme"
- haukurb 2y agoThe parent comment was making a philosophical argument, not a semantics one.
- SubiculumCode 2y agoThere is something to what you say, but perhaps you should have responded, "Nuanced Disagree". But in seriousness, I mean nuance as the ablity to see and acknowledge the complexities, and consider fairly evidence that does not support your position...this is an effortful task, and you cannot build a movement for change by telling people to consider all facets, in fact the opposite, you provide frameworks that discourage or shortcut those introspective processes. AKA indoctrination is not nuance. I also think it's pretty common for radicals to become nuanced between shades of their own radicalism, but be completely blind elsewhere. I'll end by saying this, "No biologist was ever an essentialist"
- reducesuffering 2y ago> Radicalism is often the embrace of nuance that other people deny exists. That's a nice ideological soundbite that is wishful thinking. When observed in practice, both opposite ends of radicalism are most prone to discussing none of the nuance. Just think of the radical ends of this issue...
- LorenPechtel 2y agoYeah. I find myself not trusting either side--both seem to be putting their agenda above the truth.
- iaaan 2y agoCould you clarify what you think my agenda as a trans person is?
- pstuart 2y agoYour agenda is to not be demonized or terrorized for the choices you made about your body, and your support for others in a similar situation. Is that close? I see the anti-trans movement as both horrifying and in a weird way encouraging. To address the latter, I find it encouraging in that it reflects that the previous anti movement (homophobia) has effectively failed and that ship has failed. Likewise, it's shown trans folk are everywhere and ultimately cannot be wished away. This subject disgusts me (I'm cis) -- people's gender/identity/sexuality/etc are literally their own business and the weaponizing of fear/ignorance/distaste about the subject is the height of cruelty and the lowest of political trickery to manipulate the population to vote solely based on hate.
- pwdisswordfishd 2y agoThere's not really a unified "anti-trans movement", as different people have different reasons for opposing this. Like for instance you mention homophobia: > that the previous anti movement (homophobia) has effectively failed But one of these reasons for rejecting the ideology of "trans" is because it's homophobic. Consider the conventional understanding of homosexuality: a sexual orientation directed exclusively towards others of the same sex. The "trans" belief system overwrites this definition to instead be those who are attracted only to others with the same "gender identity". This means that a "trans woman" (male sex) who is only interested in "cis women" (female sex) would be a lesbian by this new definition - which effectively erases homosexuality in its original understanding, by including heterosexuals. In this case straight males. In the past few years, LGB organizations have been springing up to counter this new type of homophobia. Often driven by or allying with feminists, who have their own set of reasons to be critical of "trans".
- inglor_cz 2y agoDoes "the world" (quite a big entity in itself) treat anyone with kindness and acceptance?
- cqqxo4zV46cp 2y agoMost people are treated with more kindness and acceptance than trans people. We all know that.
- inglor_cz 2y agoThat sort of begs the question. Do we indeed know that, or is this knowledge just a widely shared prejudice?
- seethedeaduu 2y agoTry asking a trans person to compare their experiences before and after being out.
- BoingBoomTschak 2y ago> If you want better science in gender affirming care: 1) fund it, 2) don't make it scary for the scientists who do study it, as death threats are the norm, 3) dont interpret studies with preexisting agendas. The entire concept of "genre" as more than a fringe mental illness and its sole treatment being "law-backed compulsion for people to go along with the delusion" is already a preexisting agenda, man. I know it sounds harsh, but truth is more important than anything else to some people.
- SubiculumCode 2y agoBiology doesn't treat essentialist well unless they close their eyes. If you think the biology of sex is simple, then your eyes are closed.