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I think we undersexualise everything and our morals look as if they came straight from the Middle Ages.

speff 2y ago
Agreed. People have become so scared of sex nowadays compared to the pre-2000s. Unsure how, but puritanical culture somehow took over Related: https://bloodknife.com/everyone-beautiful-no-one-horny/ https://bloodknife.com/everyone-beautiful-no-one-horny/
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ossobuco 2y ago
I used to share your opinion, but I had to do with the adult content world for work related stuff and it was the filthiest thing I've ever had to deal with in my life. Sex work is an ugly thing, built upon the exploitation of both workers and customers. Nothing freeing or emancipating about that. Yes we shouldn't treat sex as a taboo and children should be educated to avoid STDs, unwanted pregnancies, etc. No, we shouldn't expose children to the filth of the adult content world.
- bagful 2y ago
  Could our marginalization of healthy human sexuality relative to other normal, if risky, activities be contributing to said “filthiness”?
- creer 2y ago
  You could also have been referring to retail or low-cost manufacturing. For others, sex work is validating, empowering, exciting, beautiful, freeing, independent, a way to be seen (that means recognized for who they are - rather than societal conformance pressures), a direct interaction with people who truly appreciate and are thankful for the work, flexible, personal (as opposed to impersonal / replaceable cog), creative, and something that they can get up for in the morning. What you are describing is not rooted in, or equivalent to "sex work". You can be depressed and want to kill yourself at the perspective of going to the office. That it's an "office" is not the root of it.
  - emptiestplace 2y ago
    I think a lack of understanding can sometimes masquerade as disagreement. I appreciate your efforts here.
StefanBatory 2y ago
Just visit anime forum or subreddit to see it's not a case. People are way too openly horny.
berkes 2y ago
In Europe this is often attributed to American cultural imperialism. TV, at least in The Netherlands, has become a lot more prudish, Music censored, etc. I've worked (in the internet branches of) Dutch National media organizations, for magazines and publishers. All lament, that "back in the days, a pair of its, or a penis flopping through a scene was normal." All due to American influence. It's certainly not imposed top down. A dutch beach club owner told me it used to be rather normal for women to be topless on the beach, up to the early 2000s. And that nowadays it's almost unheard of.
- samatman 2y ago
  I don't know how else to say this, but American institutions, and Americans, are profoundly uninterested in what nudity taboos you may or may not have over there. American tourists might care, if they're looking to see some tits on a beach. Have you at least considered the possibility that Europe has its own prudes?
  - creer 2y ago
    They may be uninterested and unaware and yet very powerful in propagating their own hangups all over the place. For example through movie and TV production. For example through movie, TV and video distribution. For example through legal models and specific texts. For example through organizations active in the hangup propagation business (so, they are certainly not ALL uninterested). For example through credit card networks and banking. And it goes on and on. I nearly forgot to mention technology companies and (currently) their "app" markets. Some countries like the UK seem to be ahead of the pack in the hangup department but they also don't have the global footprint / influence that the US have.
    - arikb 2y ago
      Hear hear. The fact that (for the most part) 2 American credit card companies determine what porn people can and cannot watch on-line world-wide is an embodiment of this very problem.
    - berkes 2y ago

Agreed. People have become so scared of sex nowadays compared to the pre-2000s. Unsure how, but puritanical culture somehow took over Related: https://bloodknife.com/everyone-beautiful-no-one-horny/ https://bloodknife.com/everyone-beautiful-no-one-horny/

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ossobuco 2y ago

I used to share your opinion, but I had to do with the adult content world for work related stuff and it was the filthiest thing I've ever had to deal with in my life. Sex work is an ugly thing, built upon the exploitation of both workers and customers. Nothing freeing or emancipating about that. Yes we shouldn't treat sex as a taboo and children should be educated to avoid STDs, unwanted pregnancies, etc. No, we shouldn't expose children to the filth of the adult content world.

bagful 2y ago
Could our marginalization of healthy human sexuality relative to other normal, if risky, activities be contributing to said “filthiness”?
creer 2y ago
You could also have been referring to retail or low-cost manufacturing. For others, sex work is validating, empowering, exciting, beautiful, freeing, independent, a way to be seen (that means recognized for who they are - rather than societal conformance pressures), a direct interaction with people who truly appreciate and are thankful for the work, flexible, personal (as opposed to impersonal / replaceable cog), creative, and something that they can get up for in the morning. What you are describing is not rooted in, or equivalent to "sex work". You can be depressed and want to kill yourself at the perspective of going to the office. That it's an "office" is not the root of it.
- emptiestplace 2y ago
  I think a lack of understanding can sometimes masquerade as disagreement. I appreciate your efforts here.

StefanBatory 2y ago

Just visit anime forum or subreddit to see it's not a case. People are way too openly horny.

berkes 2y ago

In Europe this is often attributed to American cultural imperialism. TV, at least in The Netherlands, has become a lot more prudish, Music censored, etc. I've worked (in the internet branches of) Dutch National media organizations, for magazines and publishers. All lament, that "back in the days, a pair of its, or a penis flopping through a scene was normal." All due to American influence. It's certainly not imposed top down. A dutch beach club owner told me it used to be rather normal for women to be topless on the beach, up to the early 2000s. And that nowadays it's almost unheard of.

samatman 2y ago
I don't know how else to say this, but American institutions, and Americans, are profoundly uninterested in what nudity taboos you may or may not have over there. American tourists might care, if they're looking to see some tits on a beach. Have you at least considered the possibility that Europe has its own prudes?
- creer 2y ago
  They may be uninterested and unaware and yet very powerful in propagating their own hangups all over the place. For example through movie and TV production. For example through movie, TV and video distribution. For example through legal models and specific texts. For example through organizations active in the hangup propagation business (so, they are certainly not ALL uninterested). For example through credit card networks and banking. And it goes on and on. I nearly forgot to mention technology companies and (currently) their "app" markets. Some countries like the UK seem to be ahead of the pack in the hangup department but they also don't have the global footprint / influence that the US have.
  - arikb 2y ago
    Hear hear. The fact that (for the most part) 2 American credit card companies determine what porn people can and cannot watch on-line world-wide is an embodiment of this very problem.
  - berkes 2y ago