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Ah, the good old gnome drama. They consider users , stupid and make their system as stupid as possible and never let the user to do advance customization as the

by v3ss0n 2y ago

Ah, the good old gnome drama. They consider users , stupid and make their system as stupid as possible and never let the user to do advance customization as they please. Their gate keeping nature back fired I guess.

tacosukoneko 2y ago
In their defense, users are stupid and that's why Linux and FreeBSD haven't yet replaced Windows. I recommend GNOME to inexperienced users, and they actually like it and find it intuitive. It accelerates Linux and FreeBSD adoption, which automatically improves the entire freedesktop ecosystem, nobody can deny that. No matter what drama happens, at the end of the day, almost all our distros can run the same apps natively, making every improvement for one a direct or indirect improvement for all.
lkdfjlkdfjlg 2y ago
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- bananamerica 2y ago
  Have you actually used vanilla Gnome? I did it fairly recently. Gnome 46 is like a fridge. It has fewer graphically exposed settings than Windows 95. I literally had to install a program to scale my wallpaper. It's absolutely ridiculous. I understand this is a forum for programmers, but it's unrealistic to expect real users to manipulate a program like that by rewriting its source code, or even through dconf.
  - lkdfjlkdfjlg 2y ago
    I know absolutely nothing about Gnome, but my comment wasn't about Gnome specifically. It just grabbed my attention when people say "software X treats people like they're stupid", and then they want things done for them.
    - bananamerica 2y ago
      And I answered with the actual issue that is relevant to conversation.
      - lkdfjlkdfjlg 2y ago
        If you wanna be relevant to the conversation you're gonna have to clarify for me: are you in the camp that thinks Gnome treats its users like they're stupid, or not?
        bananamerica 2y ago
        I am firmly in the camp where I am not answering this question only to satisfy an irrelevant need to take things literally while ignoring the actual issue being discussed.
        lkdfjlkdfjlg 2y ago
        You shouldn't have responded then, because we have nothing to talk about.
        chris_wot 2y ago
        He answered your question.
    - znpy 2y ago
      > It just grabbed my attention when people say "software X treats people like they're stupid", and then they want things done for them. It's a childish argumentation though. As a former GNOME user, the most infuriating things is that stuff was there (already developed) and was working fine, and got removed or dumbed down so much it made GNOME unusable. It's not about wanting stuff done for me, it's about fine software being actively, purposedly made worse.
- v3ss0n 2y ago
  Simple , use it , also check their mailing list. Here is the biggest Linus rant about Gnome 3 : https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-finds-gnome-3-4-to-be-a-total-user-experience-design-failure/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-finds-gnome-3-4... Gnome3 was a lot more customizable... Now it is a lot worse.

by v3ss0n 2y ago

tacosukoneko 2y ago

In their defense, users are stupid and that's why Linux and FreeBSD haven't yet replaced Windows. I recommend GNOME to inexperienced users, and they actually like it and find it intuitive. It accelerates Linux and FreeBSD adoption, which automatically improves the entire freedesktop ecosystem, nobody can deny that. No matter what drama happens, at the end of the day, almost all our distros can run the same apps natively, making every improvement for one a direct or indirect improvement for all.

lkdfjlkdfjlg 2y ago

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bananamerica 2y ago
Have you actually used vanilla Gnome? I did it fairly recently. Gnome 46 is like a fridge. It has fewer graphically exposed settings than Windows 95. I literally had to install a program to scale my wallpaper. It's absolutely ridiculous. I understand this is a forum for programmers, but it's unrealistic to expect real users to manipulate a program like that by rewriting its source code, or even through dconf.
- lkdfjlkdfjlg 2y ago
  I know absolutely nothing about Gnome, but my comment wasn't about Gnome specifically. It just grabbed my attention when people say "software X treats people like they're stupid", and then they want things done for them.
  - bananamerica 2y ago
    And I answered with the actual issue that is relevant to conversation.
    - lkdfjlkdfjlg 2y ago
      If you wanna be relevant to the conversation you're gonna have to clarify for me: are you in the camp that thinks Gnome treats its users like they're stupid, or not?
      - bananamerica 2y ago
        I am firmly in the camp where I am not answering this question only to satisfy an irrelevant need to take things literally while ignoring the actual issue being discussed.
        lkdfjlkdfjlg 2y ago
        You shouldn't have responded then, because we have nothing to talk about.
        chris_wot 2y ago
        He answered your question.
  - znpy 2y ago
    > It just grabbed my attention when people say "software X treats people like they're stupid", and then they want things done for them. It's a childish argumentation though. As a former GNOME user, the most infuriating things is that stuff was there (already developed) and was working fine, and got removed or dumbed down so much it made GNOME unusable. It's not about wanting stuff done for me, it's about fine software being actively, purposedly made worse.
v3ss0n 2y ago
Simple , use it , also check their mailing list. Here is the biggest Linus rant about Gnome 3 : https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-finds-gnome-3-4-to-be-a-total-user-experience-design-failure/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-finds-gnome-3-4... Gnome3 was a lot more customizable... Now it is a lot worse.