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I’ve seen places where failed releases are just “part of normal engineering.” Because no one is perfect, they say.

by treflop 2y ago

slenk 2y ago
I really dislike this mentality. Don't even get me started on celebrating when your rocket blows up
- galangalalgol 2y ago
  If it is a standard production rocket, I agree. If it is a first of kind or even third of kind launch, celebrating the lessons learned from a failure is a healthy attitude. This production software is not the same thing at all.
- Heliosmaster 2y ago
  spaceX celebrating when their rocket blows up after a certain milestone it's like us devs celebrating when our branch with that new big feature only fails a few tests. Did it pass no? Are you satisfied as first try? Probably
photonthug 2y ago
Even on hn, comments advocating engineering excellence or just quality in general are frequently looked down on, which probably also tells you a lot about the wider world. This is why we can’t have nice things, but maybe we just don’t want them anyway? “Mistakes will be made” is way less true if you actually put the effort in to prevent them, but I am beginning to think this has become code for quiet-quitters to telegraph a “I want to get paid for no effort and sympathize with others who feel the same” sentiment and appear compassionate and grimly realistic all at the same time. yes, billion dollar companies are going to make mistakes, but almost always because of cost cutting, willful ignorance, or negligence. If average people are apologizing for them and excusing that, there has to be some reason that it’s good for them.
- treflop 2y ago
  Personally while I value excellence, I reduce the frequency of errors through process and procedure because I’m lazy. I don’t mind meetings but being in a 4 hour emergency meeting because some due diligence wasn’t done is a waste of my time. Life is easier when you do good work.

I’ve seen places where failed releases are just “part of normal engineering.” Because no one is perfect, they say.

slenk 2y ago

I really dislike this mentality. Don't even get me started on celebrating when your rocket blows up

galangalalgol 2y ago
If it is a standard production rocket, I agree. If it is a first of kind or even third of kind launch, celebrating the lessons learned from a failure is a healthy attitude. This production software is not the same thing at all.
Heliosmaster 2y ago
spaceX celebrating when their rocket blows up after a certain milestone it's like us devs celebrating when our branch with that new big feature only fails a few tests. Did it pass no? Are you satisfied as first try? Probably

photonthug 2y ago

Even on hn, comments advocating engineering excellence or just quality in general are frequently looked down on, which probably also tells you a lot about the wider world. This is why we can’t have nice things, but maybe we just don’t want them anyway? “Mistakes will be made” is way less true if you actually put the effort in to prevent them, but I am beginning to think this has become code for quiet-quitters to telegraph a “I want to get paid for no effort and sympathize with others who feel the same” sentiment and appear compassionate and grimly realistic all at the same time. yes, billion dollar companies are going to make mistakes, but almost always because of cost cutting, willful ignorance, or negligence. If average people are apologizing for them and excusing that, there has to be some reason that it’s good for them.

treflop 2y ago
Personally while I value excellence, I reduce the frequency of errors through process and procedure because I’m lazy. I don’t mind meetings but being in a 4 hour emergency meeting because some due diligence wasn’t done is a waste of my time. Life is easier when you do good work.