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Imagine being a European and not being allowed to defend yourself lol

OfficeChad 2y ago
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AnarchismIsCool 2y ago
I'm with you on this, but imagine being an American in prison for 10 years because you drilled a 1/8" hole .123" from the edge of a funny shaped piece of aluminum.
- tonynator 2y ago
  Yeah that is also pretty pathetic, agreed.
- tstrimple 2y ago
  Way to invent things that don't happen to instill fear. Just more FUD.
  - AnarchismIsCool 2y ago
    People do drill that hole and do get arrested... What's FUD here? Someone was even arrested for selling stainless steel business cards that had a particular bottle-tab looking design laser etched on it.
- nozzlegear 2y ago
  What’s the reference?
  - rjbwork 2y ago
    Presumably the hole that makes a full auto sear in an AR-15 work.
  - AnarchismIsCool 2y ago
    It's complicated, but tl;dr, the ATF is in a constant spiral of trying to apply the text of the National Firearms Act and a handful of other laws in the real world. They don't define a firearm as something that can shoot bullets, they define it as (usually) the part that receives the ammunition/magazine, the "receiver", which becomes the serial-numbered portion of the gun. For some guns, it's a complicated, vaguely gun shaped object made up of welded and formed parts, for others it's something as simple as a piece of 1-2" steel tube threaded at one or both ends. This legally can be classified as a firearm and if you were to, for instance, mail it to someone across state lines, export it, sell it in some states or take it through airport security you would face jail time. As an aside, this quirk is occasionally used by photographers and others who want hand inspection and chain of custody for expensive checked luggage, so they'll put an inert receiver in their suitcase and declare it as a firearm to the airline. This gets further complicated by the other elements of the NFA banning machine guns and regulating short barrels, suppressors, and a couple other items. In this particular case we're talking about a specific, relatively simple aluminum receiver that can be made at home with a cheap mill or 3d printer, as it isn't pressure bearing. The ATF has deemed that this is, itself, a firearm and further, it can be modified into an illegal machine gun by drilling a hole near the top edge. In reality this does nothing, you'd need to go make or buy three-ish other distinct parts to modify a trigger group into one that supports automatic fire, as well as all the rest of the parts that make the bare receiver into a functioning firearm that can actually shoot. As the laws are extremely complicated and subject to fairly arbitrary reinterpretation periodically, people somewhat routinely get in huge trouble for breaking them (they're enforced extremely aggressively). Some of those people are trying to poke the bear for fun, but some of them just don't realize that screwing an oil filter to the end of their rifle, or tying a shoestring to the trigger (of particular rifles) are all felonies with a 10 year prison sentence. It's all a bit dystopian. It would be as if there were certain illegal numbers that you weren't allowed to tell your friends about...

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I'm with you on this, but imagine being an American in prison for 10 years because you drilled a 1/8" hole .123" from the edge of a funny shaped piece of aluminum.

tonynator 2y ago
Yeah that is also pretty pathetic, agreed.
tstrimple 2y ago
Way to invent things that don't happen to instill fear. Just more FUD.
- AnarchismIsCool 2y ago
  People do drill that hole and do get arrested... What's FUD here? Someone was even arrested for selling stainless steel business cards that had a particular bottle-tab looking design laser etched on it.
nozzlegear 2y ago
What’s the reference?
- rjbwork 2y ago
  Presumably the hole that makes a full auto sear in an AR-15 work.
- AnarchismIsCool 2y ago
  It's complicated, but tl;dr, the ATF is in a constant spiral of trying to apply the text of the National Firearms Act and a handful of other laws in the real world. They don't define a firearm as something that can shoot bullets, they define it as (usually) the part that receives the ammunition/magazine, the "receiver", which becomes the serial-numbered portion of the gun. For some guns, it's a complicated, vaguely gun shaped object made up of welded and formed parts, for others it's something as simple as a piece of 1-2" steel tube threaded at one or both ends. This legally can be classified as a firearm and if you were to, for instance, mail it to someone across state lines, export it, sell it in some states or take it through airport security you would face jail time. As an aside, this quirk is occasionally used by photographers and others who want hand inspection and chain of custody for expensive checked luggage, so they'll put an inert receiver in their suitcase and declare it as a firearm to the airline. This gets further complicated by the other elements of the NFA banning machine guns and regulating short barrels, suppressors, and a couple other items. In this particular case we're talking about a specific, relatively simple aluminum receiver that can be made at home with a cheap mill or 3d printer, as it isn't pressure bearing. The ATF has deemed that this is, itself, a firearm and further, it can be modified into an illegal machine gun by drilling a hole near the top edge. In reality this does nothing, you'd need to go make or buy three-ish other distinct parts to modify a trigger group into one that supports automatic fire, as well as all the rest of the parts that make the bare receiver into a functioning firearm that can actually shoot. As the laws are extremely complicated and subject to fairly arbitrary reinterpretation periodically, people somewhat routinely get in huge trouble for breaking them (they're enforced extremely aggressively). Some of those people are trying to poke the bear for fun, but some of them just don't realize that screwing an oil filter to the end of their rifle, or tying a shoestring to the trigger (of particular rifles) are all felonies with a 10 year prison sentence. It's all a bit dystopian. It would be as if there were certain illegal numbers that you weren't allowed to tell your friends about...