As for the main point of Mikko's post, I have never understood why so many folks in the netsec industry are arrogantly pessimistic about the innovation of other

As for the main point of Mikko's post, I have never understood why so many folks in the netsec industry are arrogantly pessimistic about the innovation of others. I found Flame jaw-droppingly amazing. Security folks often lack development experience, specifically in products that ship, to appreciate the big picture. This is why certain people on HN were so fixated on a lack of code obfuscation to give credit to the massive QA effort behind making all of stuxnet work on such a complex target. I say this as a security person who has previously done dev on product teams.