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>What if some highly intelligent immigrants oppose American values? Sounds like a recipe for disaster. They may use their capital and ability to politically und
by krapp 2y ago
>What if some highly intelligent immigrants oppose American values? Sounds like a recipe for disaster. They may use their capital and ability to politically undermine our civil liberties.
That should be perfectly acceptable and within the bounds of free speech in a democratic society. It's up to you to counter "bad speech" with other speech in the marketplace of ideas. At least that's what I'm told when I complain about all of the American racists and lunatics whose speech I'm supposed to hold sacred, while they try to undermine my rights and values.
- hnpolicestate 2y agoYou inserted their speech where I said "capital and ability". Because you support undermining those rights so you play semantic games. I mean this sincerely, isn't the debate irrelevant? You either support those civil rights or oppose them. I don't want to put words in your mouth but I assume you oppose 1A and 2A. Why not just say it? We wouldn't have to waste time discussing ancillary nonsense.
- krapp 2y ago>You inserted their speech where I said "capital and ability". Because you support undermining those rights so you play semantic games. I never said I supported undermining any particular rights. The phrase "use their capital and ability to politically undermine our civil liberties" implies engagement in the political process, which implies free speech, which (notwithstanding your semantic games) is already established as legitimate. >I don't want to put words in your mouth Yes you do, your comment here does so numerous times. So feel free to argue with the strawman, I'm out.
- hnpolicestate 2y agoOkay, sorry.
- anon291 2y agoIt should be within the bounds of speech for people part of our society already Not for people were considering allowing to join our society
- krapp 2y agoImmigrants don't need "our" permission to join "our" society, they only need the permission of the government, as a matter of legal formality. And of course one could argue that "illegal immigrants" are a part of society, just not legally, because societies aren't only defined in the context of states. Also free speech is a universal value, is it not? It should apply equally to everyone, everywhere, all the time, and in all contexts.
- anon291 2y agoFree speech is a universal human value but realistically America is in a league of its own with what speech it allows.