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the obsession with gun rights is doing your country far more harm than highly intelligent immigrants ever will

hnpolicestate 2y ago
I honestly don't see it. Statistically or otherwise. Even if it were. It's a protected unalienable right. Cannot under any circumstances be circumvented. In my opinion of course.
- bmicraft 2y ago
  > It's a protected unalienable right. Cannot under any circumstances be circumvented. Until the next amendment to it, be that in a couple of years or centuries
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_culture_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_culture_in_the_United_Stat... https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-gun-became-integral-to-the-self-identity-of-millions-of-americans/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-gun-becam... https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/13/key-facts... https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/fourth-july-musings-americas-gun-culture-viral-photos-rcna36397 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/fourth-july-musings-am... https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
- sangnoir 2y ago
  > Cannot under any circumstances be circumvented. Tangentially - I find it fascinating how the originalists on the supreme court get fuzzy on what a "well regulated militia" meant at the time the amendment was written.
  - rpmisms 2y ago
    This has been explained ad nauseum, but here goes. Well-regulated meant, at the time, in good working order. The militia meant, and still means, able-bodied men from 18 to 45. The right was granted to the people, not the militia. Please make snide comments in good faith, at least.
    - kjkjadksj 2y ago
      The experience of the black panthers had shown us that if many of us attempted to live by that interpretation the goal posts would just be moved by those in power.
      - rpmisms 2y ago
        Thankfully, many of the infringements upon rights committed during that period are being undone.
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  - 15155 2y ago
    This argument is so tired: the meaning of this prefatory clause is not intended to be a limitation as some would hope. Nobody is "fuzzy" - the left-most SCOTUS Justices don't make this argument, see Caetano v. Massachusetts.
- michaelhoney 2y ago
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tonynator 2y ago
Imagine being a European and not being allowed to defend yourself lol
- OfficeChad 2y ago
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- AnarchismIsCool 2y ago
  I'm with you on this, but imagine being an American in prison for 10 years because you drilled a 1/8" hole .123" from the edge of a funny shaped piece of aluminum.
  - tonynator 2y ago
    Yeah that is also pretty pathetic, agreed.
  - tstrimple 2y ago
    Way to invent things that don't happen to instill fear. Just more FUD.
    - AnarchismIsCool 2y ago
      People do drill that hole and do get arrested... What's FUD here? Someone was even arrested for selling stainless steel business cards that had a particular bottle-tab looking design laser etched on it.
  - nozzlegear 2y ago
    What’s the reference?
    - rjbwork 2y ago
      Presumably the hole that makes a full auto sear in an AR-15 work.
    - AnarchismIsCool 2y ago
anon291 2y ago
America has an extremely low violence rate. If you remove a handful of neighborhoods with particularly bad problems, Americas violent crime rate is on par that of Europe. Given the number of guns in those safe areas, if would seem Americans are made of some good stuff.

I honestly don't see it. Statistically or otherwise. Even if it were. It's a protected unalienable right. Cannot under any circumstances be circumvented. In my opinion of course.

bmicraft 2y ago
> It's a protected unalienable right. Cannot under any circumstances be circumvented. Until the next amendment to it, be that in a couple of years or centuries
toomuchtodo 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_culture_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_culture_in_the_United_Stat... https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-gun-became-integral-to-the-self-identity-of-millions-of-americans/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-gun-becam... https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/13/key-facts... https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/fourth-july-musings-americas-gun-culture-viral-photos-rcna36397 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/fourth-july-musings-am... https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
sangnoir 2y ago
> Cannot under any circumstances be circumvented. Tangentially - I find it fascinating how the originalists on the supreme court get fuzzy on what a "well regulated militia" meant at the time the amendment was written.
- rpmisms 2y ago
  This has been explained ad nauseum, but here goes. Well-regulated meant, at the time, in good working order. The militia meant, and still means, able-bodied men from 18 to 45. The right was granted to the people, not the militia. Please make snide comments in good faith, at least.
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    The experience of the black panthers had shown us that if many of us attempted to live by that interpretation the goal posts would just be moved by those in power.
    - rpmisms 2y ago
      Thankfully, many of the infringements upon rights committed during that period are being undone.
- deleted 2y ago
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- 15155 2y ago
  This argument is so tired: the meaning of this prefatory clause is not intended to be a limitation as some would hope. Nobody is "fuzzy" - the left-most SCOTUS Justices don't make this argument, see Caetano v. Massachusetts.
michaelhoney 2y ago
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tonynator 2y ago

Imagine being a European and not being allowed to defend yourself lol

OfficeChad 2y ago
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AnarchismIsCool 2y ago
I'm with you on this, but imagine being an American in prison for 10 years because you drilled a 1/8" hole .123" from the edge of a funny shaped piece of aluminum.
- tonynator 2y ago
  Yeah that is also pretty pathetic, agreed.
- tstrimple 2y ago
  Way to invent things that don't happen to instill fear. Just more FUD.
  - AnarchismIsCool 2y ago
    People do drill that hole and do get arrested... What's FUD here? Someone was even arrested for selling stainless steel business cards that had a particular bottle-tab looking design laser etched on it.
- nozzlegear 2y ago
  What’s the reference?
  - rjbwork 2y ago
    Presumably the hole that makes a full auto sear in an AR-15 work.
  - AnarchismIsCool 2y ago

anon291 2y ago

America has an extremely low violence rate. If you remove a handful of neighborhoods with particularly bad problems, Americas violent crime rate is on par that of Europe. Given the number of guns in those safe areas, if would seem Americans are made of some good stuff.