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Trump supported a plan to reduce legal immigration by half: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/politics/trump-immigration.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/

Trump supported a plan to reduce legal immigration by half: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/politics/trump-immigration.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/politics/trump-immigra...

selfmodruntime 2y ago
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- zozbot234 2y ago
  Lowering wages and salaries for skilled workers has a big disinflationary effect and slashes inequality. (The bulk of inequality is indeed due to skill-biased divergence in labor income, not passive or unearned income from asset ownership.)
  - selfmodruntime 2y ago
    I agree if we look at through a purely economical lense, but you can’t deny that this statement may sour some voters opinions.
  - deleted 2y ago
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- saagarjha 2y ago
  So, you do understand how this exactly demonstrates how you are anti-immigration, not just anti-illegal immigration?
  - selfmodruntime 2y ago
    I am not the original commenter. I am not anti immigration. I am merely critical of it. We need skilled healthcare workers. Instead giant corporations are focusing on importing software engineers o drive down wages.
  - sharkjacobs 2y ago
    anti-illegal immigration and pro-illegalizing immigration
- broken_clock 2y ago
  High-skill immigrants disproportionately found companies (whose very existence implies driving up demand in the labor market), as well as disproportionately induce new consumer demand (high-skill -> high pay -> high consumption), which again drives new companies. Out of America (and the world's) only $1T companies: Brin and Huang are 1st gen immigrants. Nadella is a 1st gen immigrant; he brought Microsoft out of it's malaise. (Jobs' bio father was an immigrant, as was Bezos' adoptive father) 3/5 ain't bad. (2/5 if you're a stickler) Tesla, which at one point was a $T company and is currently pretty close, is also famously founded by an immigrant. There are very few people in tech in America who will not have worked for an immigrant founder/CEO at some point in their career.
  - tstrimple 2y ago
    > Nadella is a 1st gen immigrant; he brought Microsoft out of it's malaise. I agree with most of what you posted, but not enough credit is given to Ballmer here. He set Microsoft on the trajectory that Nedella followed and got the fuck out of the way. There were a lot of cringe Ballmer moments but he had a profound impact on Microsoft, probably much more so than Nadella so far. And none of this is meant to take anything away from Nadella's competency. Just that Ballmer gets blamed for a whole lot despite setting MSFT up for the success Nadella (and shareholders) enjoy.
philk10 2y ago
As an immigrant in the US I looked at the plans ( produced by Stephen Miller) and would not have qualified to be admitted.
refurb 2y ago
That's an article from 7 years ago? Don't you think it makes more sense to look at Trump's 2024 platform? https://rncplatform.donaldjtrump.com/ https://rncplatform.donaldjtrump.com/ The only statement on legal immigration: "Republicans will prioritize Merit-based immigration, ensuring those admitted to our Country contribute positively to our Society and Economy, and never become a drain on Public Resources."
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  The amount of room they give to interpret that vague statement however they want could fit an aircraft carrier. Their actual policy position is in their project 2025 materials and it curtails legal immigration pretty significantly along similar lines that trump attempted to tread in his first presidency.
  - coding123 2y ago
    Stop spreading mis-info about Trump and Project 2025 which he is not involved in.
    - kjkjadksj 2y ago
      Of course he isn’t involved in it, trump doesn’t come up with any policy. Doesn’t mean it isn’t the position of his party.
      - coding123 2y ago
        So you're very much inclined to agree if I said "down with America" is the policy of the Democratic party.
  - refurb 2y ago
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    - mikem170 2y ago
lowkey 2y ago
It seems like Trump’s immigration stance has evolved significantly in the seven years since this article was written. A few weeks ago he appeared on the All-in podcast and promoted the idea of giving green cards en masse to foreign students upon graduation. I support the idea even if I don’t support the candidate.
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  Meanwhile if we forget what his lips are doing and watch for the fist we’d see his republican party has a different agenda. Namely one about picking certain favorite nations and excluding others. Really just read the project 2025 materials and forget whatever tangents he goes on, as he doesn’t hold himself accountable to what he might say.
  - coding123 2y ago
    So if a text says your name 100 times, you automatically wrote it? He has nothing to do with Project 2025.
    - mikem170 2y ago
      "In fact, at least 140 people who worked in the Trump administration had a hand in Project 2025, a CNN review found, including more than half of the people listed as authors, editors and contributors to “Mandate for Leadership,” the project’s extensive manifesto for overhauling the executive branch" [0]. Here's details on a bunch of them [1]. People and organizations, not just on the left but also over 100 influential organizations on the right [2], take Project 2025 as the desired direction for a future Trump administration. Trump himself has endorsed many of the same positions in this document. Right or wrong, that's why people have made the association between Trump and Project 2025. This is what conservatives as a group seem to want for a future Trump administration. There doesn't seem to be a competing vision for the party, and certainly nothing laid out in 900 pages of detail. Why wouldn't people on the left make the association between Trump and this document when so many on the right do? [0] https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/trump-allies-project-2025/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/trump-allies-pro... [1] https://www.newsweek.com/project-2025-ex-trump-contributors-republicans-election-1922933 https://www.newsweek.com/project-2025-ex-trump-contributors-... [2] https://live-project2025.pantheonsite.io/about/advisory-board/ https://live-project2025.pantheonsite.io/about/advisory-boar...

Trump supported a plan to reduce legal immigration by half: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/politics/trump-immigration.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/politics/trump-immigra...

selfmodruntime 2y ago

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zozbot234 2y ago
Lowering wages and salaries for skilled workers has a big disinflationary effect and slashes inequality. (The bulk of inequality is indeed due to skill-biased divergence in labor income, not passive or unearned income from asset ownership.)
- selfmodruntime 2y ago
  I agree if we look at through a purely economical lense, but you can’t deny that this statement may sour some voters opinions.
- deleted 2y ago
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saagarjha 2y ago
So, you do understand how this exactly demonstrates how you are anti-immigration, not just anti-illegal immigration?
- selfmodruntime 2y ago
  I am not the original commenter. I am not anti immigration. I am merely critical of it. We need skilled healthcare workers. Instead giant corporations are focusing on importing software engineers o drive down wages.
- sharkjacobs 2y ago
  anti-illegal immigration and pro-illegalizing immigration
broken_clock 2y ago
High-skill immigrants disproportionately found companies (whose very existence implies driving up demand in the labor market), as well as disproportionately induce new consumer demand (high-skill -> high pay -> high consumption), which again drives new companies. Out of America (and the world's) only $1T companies: Brin and Huang are 1st gen immigrants. Nadella is a 1st gen immigrant; he brought Microsoft out of it's malaise. (Jobs' bio father was an immigrant, as was Bezos' adoptive father) 3/5 ain't bad. (2/5 if you're a stickler) Tesla, which at one point was a $T company and is currently pretty close, is also famously founded by an immigrant. There are very few people in tech in America who will not have worked for an immigrant founder/CEO at some point in their career.
- tstrimple 2y ago
  > Nadella is a 1st gen immigrant; he brought Microsoft out of it's malaise. I agree with most of what you posted, but not enough credit is given to Ballmer here. He set Microsoft on the trajectory that Nedella followed and got the fuck out of the way. There were a lot of cringe Ballmer moments but he had a profound impact on Microsoft, probably much more so than Nadella so far. And none of this is meant to take anything away from Nadella's competency. Just that Ballmer gets blamed for a whole lot despite setting MSFT up for the success Nadella (and shareholders) enjoy.

philk10 2y ago

As an immigrant in the US I looked at the plans ( produced by Stephen Miller) and would not have qualified to be admitted.

refurb 2y ago

That's an article from 7 years ago? Don't you think it makes more sense to look at Trump's 2024 platform? https://rncplatform.donaldjtrump.com/ https://rncplatform.donaldjtrump.com/ The only statement on legal immigration: "Republicans will prioritize Merit-based immigration, ensuring those admitted to our Country contribute positively to our Society and Economy, and never become a drain on Public Resources."

kjkjadksj 2y ago
The amount of room they give to interpret that vague statement however they want could fit an aircraft carrier. Their actual policy position is in their project 2025 materials and it curtails legal immigration pretty significantly along similar lines that trump attempted to tread in his first presidency.
- coding123 2y ago
  Stop spreading mis-info about Trump and Project 2025 which he is not involved in.
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    Of course he isn’t involved in it, trump doesn’t come up with any policy. Doesn’t mean it isn’t the position of his party.
    - coding123 2y ago
      So you're very much inclined to agree if I said "down with America" is the policy of the Democratic party.
- refurb 2y ago
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  - mikem170 2y ago

lowkey 2y ago

It seems like Trump’s immigration stance has evolved significantly in the seven years since this article was written. A few weeks ago he appeared on the All-in podcast and promoted the idea of giving green cards en masse to foreign students upon graduation. I support the idea even if I don’t support the candidate.

kjkjadksj 2y ago
Meanwhile if we forget what his lips are doing and watch for the fist we’d see his republican party has a different agenda. Namely one about picking certain favorite nations and excluding others. Really just read the project 2025 materials and forget whatever tangents he goes on, as he doesn’t hold himself accountable to what he might say.
- coding123 2y ago
  So if a text says your name 100 times, you automatically wrote it? He has nothing to do with Project 2025.
  - mikem170 2y ago
    "In fact, at least 140 people who worked in the Trump administration had a hand in Project 2025, a CNN review found, including more than half of the people listed as authors, editors and contributors to “Mandate for Leadership,” the project’s extensive manifesto for overhauling the executive branch" [0]. Here's details on a bunch of them [1]. People and organizations, not just on the left but also over 100 influential organizations on the right [2], take Project 2025 as the desired direction for a future Trump administration. Trump himself has endorsed many of the same positions in this document. Right or wrong, that's why people have made the association between Trump and Project 2025. This is what conservatives as a group seem to want for a future Trump administration. There doesn't seem to be a competing vision for the party, and certainly nothing laid out in 900 pages of detail. Why wouldn't people on the left make the association between Trump and this document when so many on the right do? [0] https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/trump-allies-project-2025/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/trump-allies-pro... [1] https://www.newsweek.com/project-2025-ex-trump-contributors-republicans-election-1922933 https://www.newsweek.com/project-2025-ex-trump-contributors-... [2] https://live-project2025.pantheonsite.io/about/advisory-board/ https://live-project2025.pantheonsite.io/about/advisory-boar...