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> It is not desirable to have separate ethnic groups who "share the same language, culture and faith" distinct from the mainstream. Why not? Mainstreams are te
by dakiol 2y ago
> It is not desirable to have separate ethnic groups who "share the same language, culture and faith" distinct from the mainstream.
Why not? Mainstreams are temporary. The Romans shifted from pagans to christians in just a decade (officially speaking). The German speaking region of Belgium was annexed in the 1900s (now the country has 3 different official languages). The whole latin america started speaking Spanish long before they became actual countries. Spain was mostly muslim for over 700 years.
There’s no mainstream. We are always changing and the mix is always better.
- mrbombastic 2y agoHow do you define better if there is no mainstream culture?
- guille_ 2y agoNot every culture can integrate, not every culture is a step "forward". Also, your examples are quite weak 1. Paganism was not doing too well by the time Christianity became official. 2. Belgium is a joke country (sorry!) that still has a divided population based on the language they speak. Hardly a success case. 3. Americans speaking Spanish also resulted in losing native languages and cultures. It might be okay to accept it, but the implications in your case are obvious, and it definitely would deserve a fair bit of debate whether we're okay with that. 4. Right, because the Reconquista was famously a period of peace and prosperity... If these are the arguments FOR massive immigration then don't be surprised the vast majority of the public is against it.
- dakiol 2y agoI don’t know man. This idea of certain cultures being so distant that they cannot be integrated with others sounds a bit alien to me. If anything, we (all the different cultures in this planet) are the result of a vast amount of mixing over the centuries. We probably don’t notice it anymore (proof that the mix has worked wonders) and we think we all are so good because “our” culture, “our” values. I mean, if something so profound such as religion was literally imported to America, anything is possible. Sometimes I wish we were invaded by aliens 100% different from us in every aspect, so that we realised once and for all that we all humans just are and feel the same.
- wrycoder 2y agoThe problem occurs when the newcomers adopt a haughty, colonialist attitude and yet have little to offer to their hosts.
- kjkjadksj 2y agoPresumably they contribute to the hosts bottom line by satisfying labor demand and generating new tax revenue.
- ryan93 2y ago[flagged]
- sensanaty 2y agoEven relatively harmless things like haram vs non-haram meats can cause a huge struggle, yet alone other more nuanced, complex cultural issues. Also should we really be accepting of cultures that openly and unashamedly want to harm marginalized groups such as anyone who identifies as LGBT? Getting some new recipes or whatever (as it appears that's the direction you're thinking of) is one thing, having people decapitating school teachers [1] because of a drawing (which itself was based on a lie) is a whole different thing which nobody sane should be in support of in literally any context, ever. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67664805 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67664805 What benefits do you see from importing and allowing this kind of barbarism into society?
- ESTheComposer 2y agoThe real question is why you're equating 6 teens to 23% of the world (1.8 billion people)
- sensanaty 2y agoNowhere did I do that. Also, it wasn't solely the 6 teens, it was also their parents and their communities at large outraged about what the teacher did and wanting his head on a spike (show a drawing of Muhammad). Not to forget the spark of the outrage, the girl who was skipping class and lied about what the teacher did, which instigated it all. There was also that small Charlie Hebdo thing, and the Quran burning in Sweden, and countless other similar events over the years in Europe alone. I was born and grew up in Indonesia, and the crap that was happening in Aceh, one of the only islands in Indonesia that practices Sharia law whereas the rest of the country is more secular, churns the stomach. I have no problems with Islam for the most part, but proponents of Sharia law are truly sociopathic monsters that have no place in the 21st century.
- lmz 2y ago[flagged]
- harimau777 2y agoThe great replacement theory requires there to be a conspiracy (i.e. a desire to replace white people for some nefarious reason). It also requires there to be replacement. I.e. an attempt to somehow remove white people. What the parent seems to be suggesting appears to be more akin to cultural exchange and/or the traditional idea of America as a "melting pot".
- lmz 2y ago"The mix is always better" implies replacing the existing mix, white or otherwise.
- paulryanrogers 2y agoA monoculture is almost always worse. The mix is what has made--and often continues--to make countries stronger. We can disagree about the quantity or blends, yet it seems obvious to me from insular cultures that we have to have more than zero.
- lmz 2y agoSure. I don't think even the most rabid anti immigration advocate would hold the number at zero, but using the GP's logic ("the mix is always better") the Native Americans should be quite grateful they were culturally enriched by the incoming Europeans.
- harimau777 2y agoI think you are missing the point. The Native American's objection wasn't to meeting Europeans, it was to the whole genocide thing.
- mharig 2y ago> and the mix is always better. Mixing races or cultures is like mixing many colours: at the beginning you get interesting patterns, then a boring uniform brown.