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correction: anti-illegal immigrant platform. the 3rd worlder influx of criminals is negative for the country not positive.
by greenchair 2y ago
correction: anti-illegal immigrant platform. the 3rd worlder influx of criminals is negative for the country not positive.
- _heimdall 2y agoWhat is and isn't legal immigration is always a moving target. A majority of US history included open borders where it was legal for anyone to get off a boat, provide some basic info, and go on to try and make their way here. The idea of closed borders, immigration caps, etc is relatively modern and driven more by the fact that social entitlement programs cost money than a fear of dangerous people coming here.
- mensetmanusman 2y agoModern civilization has entitlements, if we get rid of entitlements, sure we can have open borders. We just can’t do both or the system collapses.
- _heimdall 2y agoAgreed. That's where the question is really interesting, and important, though. If we can only have one or the other, and if a majority of Americans view our southern border as an untenable situation, can we maintain our entitlement programs? Entitlement programs only work if we can secure our borders. If we can't secure our borders it seems to be clear that we can't have the entitlement programs.
- AnarchismIsCool 2y agoWhy are some societies worse off than others, to the point where someone would need to move countries take their entitlements? Might it have something to do with what the entitled countries did to the ones that are worse off?
- tonynator 2y ago[flagged]
- AnarchismIsCool 2y agoI see what you did there. But no, most studies seem to indicate intelligence is correlated with lower authoritarianism. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289624000254 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01602...
- tonynator 2y ago[flagged]
- AnarchismIsCool 2y agoNow I'm just curious, how the fuck does race determine IQ? That sounds like some nazi shit...
- tonynator 2y agoYes it does, that means "sounds correct." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption... Black kids adopted by well-off White families remain lower IQ than White kids adopted by well-off White families. In a world that actually gave a shit about the truth this wouldn't be news to you
- _heimdall 2y agoYour example would actually prove the negative here. Adopting a black kid into the white family did not change the kid's race. Adoption only changes the kid's environment. How do you read that as an indicator that race was the differentiator? Do you mean only race of the immediate family in the household, not race of the person taking the test? That seems like a stretch to say it's race based at that point, and also a pretty useless data point unless your recommendation is to somehow leverage that by adopting more kids into white families because your belief is that will make them score higher on an IQ test and that a higher IQ score is a meaningful enough metric to propose such a big intervention.
- amanaplanacanal 2y agoThe original immigration laws were explicitly racist. They were long before the entitlement programs existed.
- _heimdall 2y agoI don't know enough about the specific racial factors in our older immigration laws, I'll take your word for it, but there isn't anything linking the two. We could have open borders without entitlement programs or racist immigration laws.
- vitaflo 2y ago> A majority of US history included open borders where it was legal for anyone to get off a boat, provide some basic info, and go on to try and make their way here. Unless you were coming off a boat from Africa. Lets not forget that slavery defined a large section of American history.
- _heimdall 2y agoI didn't say that anyone getting off a boat was doing it willingly. There are a ton of problems in US history related to slavery, not least of which how our founding fathers handled slavery while attempted to build a nation based on freedom and individual rights. That's separate from the core topic here though. The slave trade and all the problems that go along with it do not change the fact that our borders were open for a majority of our history.
- jfengel 2y agoAn easy way to reduce illegal immigration is to raise quotas. People would rather migrate legally.
- sumedh 2y agoWhy raise quotas though?
- nozzlegear 2y agoTo get more immigrants.
- sumedh 2y agoWhy?
- jfengel 2y agoHe said he liked legal immigration. So we can have more legal immigrants any time we want. If they don't want to raise quotas then they don't really want legal immigrants. They just want to keep everyone out.
- apsec112 2y agoTrump supported a plan to reduce legal immigration by half: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/politics/trump-immigration.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/politics/trump-immigra...