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The current noosphere doesnt have good autonomic defense systems. Every impulse sent our way comes unguarded, as a dark forest of signals being sent at us. My

The current noosphere doesnt have good autonomic defense systems. Every impulse sent our way comes unguarded, as a dark forest of signals being sent at us. My hope is that we can start to emerge some larger tools & networks to help give us meta-review, of who else argues this & what folks say about arguments like this. What have these people warned us about in the past, what have their concerns been over the past 10 years & how many of those were right or wrong? Being endlessly blown about by fear & popularism has been the name of the game on Fox News & talk radio for decades. Bill O'Reilly was on a very hot Daily Show recently, decrying polarization, & it was amazing to see such a cheer leader for disdain & disgust trying to say enough (in a way dripping with disdain & disgust) and him & John Stewart having this hostile chat even though they sort of are trying to say some similar things. https://youtu.be/h7qZE4C_neo https://youtu.be/h7qZE4C_neo It's amazing how little progress we've made getting sharp at thos online world. But notable things were terrible in the old broadcast world too; we were defenseless there too.

walterbell 2y ago
> people Alongside software-managed person[udge]s impersonating people. > noosphere doesnt have good autonomic defense systems Or threat models, e.g. funding unlocked by 2012 Smith-Mundt Act for industrial-scale weaponization of online speech.
hnbad 2y ago
As much as I appreciate using precise language, I had to look this one up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere I guess the use of the term instead of a more common descriptor like "society" implies a religious or at least spiritualist world view, but the way you're using it implies the attacks stemming from an unspecified "other", which doesn't quite fit at least from a cursory look at the philosophy behind it. My criticism would be that much like Thatcher said though in a very different sense: there is no such thing as society, there are just individuals. Or more specifically: there's no such thing as a unified whole of society or humanity across history, there are actors with different interests and different levels of influence and each actor may consist of more than one person and each person may be part of more than one actor. The assumption that debate between political opposites on shared interests must bring them closer presupposes that both sides want to be closer and that the purpose of the debate is to find truth rather than to loop in the audience to join your side.

walterbell 2y ago

> people Alongside software-managed person[udge]s impersonating people. > noosphere doesnt have good autonomic defense systems Or threat models, e.g. funding unlocked by 2012 Smith-Mundt Act for industrial-scale weaponization of online speech.

hnbad 2y ago

As much as I appreciate using precise language, I had to look this one up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere I guess the use of the term instead of a more common descriptor like "society" implies a religious or at least spiritualist world view, but the way you're using it implies the attacks stemming from an unspecified "other", which doesn't quite fit at least from a cursory look at the philosophy behind it. My criticism would be that much like Thatcher said though in a very different sense: there is no such thing as society, there are just individuals. Or more specifically: there's no such thing as a unified whole of society or humanity across history, there are actors with different interests and different levels of influence and each actor may consist of more than one person and each person may be part of more than one actor. The assumption that debate between political opposites on shared interests must bring them closer presupposes that both sides want to be closer and that the purpose of the debate is to find truth rather than to loop in the audience to join your side.