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Cuba's economy is not doing well because of the illegitimate and illegal US embargo. End the blockade. Take Cuba off the completely farcical State Sponsors of T

Cuba's economy is not doing well because of the illegitimate and illegal US embargo. End the blockade. Take Cuba off the completely farcical State Sponsors of Terror list. Let Cuba live! Cuba developed its own COVID vaccine but couldn't give it to its own people because they could not buy metal for syringes. Its fucking crazy.

WorkerBee28474 2y ago
> illegitimate and illegal US embargo Illegitimate and illegal according to what authority? Unless you believe in God, there is no higher authority than the US government and its military might.
- bawolff 2y ago
  International law? That said, i don't think sanctions violate intl law. You are under no obligation to trade with people you dont like. A blockade probably would be (generally blockades are an act of war which is only allowed in defense or if un security council approves) however america isnt blockading it. Things can morally wrong without being illegal.
  - matrix87 2y ago
    international law in itself means almost nothing, it's just a convenient excuse for the more powerful to threaten the less powerful
    - bawolff 2y ago
      So like normal law then?
  - WorkerBee28474 2y ago
    International law isn't real. You can tell it's not real because if it were real there would be real repercussions for violating it. There aren't, so it isn't. It's just words made up for politicking and persuasion.
- tehjoker 2y ago
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  - incahoots 2y ago
    Gotta love neocons and liberals voting this down as if you’re making up facts…when it’s objectively the truth
samatman 2y ago
There is no blockade, and there hasn't been since the Cuban Missile Crisis. An embargo prohibits US citizens and US-owned businesses from trading with Cuba. A blockade would be the US Navy preventing anyone else's ships from entering Cuba to trade. Cuba is poor because Cuba is Communist. The US is not the only trading partner in the world, but a country has to have something to trade in order to engage in trade, and Cuba has nothing.
- mullingitover 2y ago
  > Cuba is poor because Cuba is Communist. Is Cuba even that poor, though, compared to its Latin American peers, and is communism the reason? Aside from the recent weirdness with their GDP spike in World Bank's numbers, Cuba's GDP per capita is basically the same as Mexico's, and it's higher than Brazil's, neither of which are communist. Furthermore, aside from raw GDP numbers it's higher in the UN Human Development Index rankings[1] than Brazil and Colombia along with a slew of other very capitalist countries. If you make apples to oranges comparisons in demographics, you can make any country look bad. The UK is basically Mississippi if you take out London. The US also fares poorly if you don't count the wealthiest 15% of the population. The median Cuban isn't well off, but they aren't wildly different from others in their region. [1] https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/country-insights#/ranks https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/country-insights#/ranks
  - samatman 2y ago
    > The US also fares poorly if you don't count the wealthiest 15% of the population. This is false. The US has the third highest median income of any country in the world, after Luxembourg and the United Arab Emirates (which clearly does not count the income of their foreign slaves). PPP adjusted, btw. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-income-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-in...
    - mullingitover 2y ago
      Hmm, I'm seeing a different story in the World Bank's data[1] for GPD per capita, PPP adjusted. It shows the US in 12th place. Regardless, I'm happy to cede this point as it's irrelevant to the topic I was discussing: Cuba isn't that poor compared to its peers. [1] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?most_recent_value_desc=true https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?most_...
paxys 2y ago
There is no blocade. Cuba is free to trade with whoever it wants, as is the US.
- tehjoker 2y ago
  "DSA Says Let Cuba Live: Ending the US Blockade Today" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXoXOo7_oLM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXoXOo7_oLM
agonz253 2y ago
Is it the embargo that prohibits fishermen in Cuba from fishing, farmers from harvesting, cubans from freely doing business? Is it also responsible for cubans getting beaten and imprisoned for thinking differently? Was it the embargo that destroyed every sugar mill in the country, textile factory, shoe factory, you name it?… The dictatorship is the one responsible for all these things.
- feedforward 2y ago
  CIA-backed groups in Miami were bombing Cuban hotels in the 1990s. They were bombing Cuban passenger airlines, killing many civilians. They were burning sugar fields. Of course there was also the Bay of Pigs invasion, the theft of Guantanamo harbor etc.
  - agonz253 2y ago
    https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/red-herring-fallacy/ https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/red-herring-fallacy/

WorkerBee28474 2y ago

> illegitimate and illegal US embargo Illegitimate and illegal according to what authority? Unless you believe in God, there is no higher authority than the US government and its military might.

bawolff 2y ago
International law? That said, i don't think sanctions violate intl law. You are under no obligation to trade with people you dont like. A blockade probably would be (generally blockades are an act of war which is only allowed in defense or if un security council approves) however america isnt blockading it. Things can morally wrong without being illegal.
- matrix87 2y ago
  international law in itself means almost nothing, it's just a convenient excuse for the more powerful to threaten the less powerful
  - bawolff 2y ago
    So like normal law then?
- WorkerBee28474 2y ago
  International law isn't real. You can tell it's not real because if it were real there would be real repercussions for violating it. There aren't, so it isn't. It's just words made up for politicking and persuasion.
tehjoker 2y ago
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- incahoots 2y ago
  Gotta love neocons and liberals voting this down as if you’re making up facts…when it’s objectively the truth

samatman 2y ago

There is no blockade, and there hasn't been since the Cuban Missile Crisis. An embargo prohibits US citizens and US-owned businesses from trading with Cuba. A blockade would be the US Navy preventing anyone else's ships from entering Cuba to trade. Cuba is poor because Cuba is Communist. The US is not the only trading partner in the world, but a country has to have something to trade in order to engage in trade, and Cuba has nothing.

mullingitover 2y ago
> Cuba is poor because Cuba is Communist. Is Cuba even that poor, though, compared to its Latin American peers, and is communism the reason? Aside from the recent weirdness with their GDP spike in World Bank's numbers, Cuba's GDP per capita is basically the same as Mexico's, and it's higher than Brazil's, neither of which are communist. Furthermore, aside from raw GDP numbers it's higher in the UN Human Development Index rankings[1] than Brazil and Colombia along with a slew of other very capitalist countries. If you make apples to oranges comparisons in demographics, you can make any country look bad. The UK is basically Mississippi if you take out London. The US also fares poorly if you don't count the wealthiest 15% of the population. The median Cuban isn't well off, but they aren't wildly different from others in their region. [1] https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/country-insights#/ranks https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/country-insights#/ranks
- samatman 2y ago
  > The US also fares poorly if you don't count the wealthiest 15% of the population. This is false. The US has the third highest median income of any country in the world, after Luxembourg and the United Arab Emirates (which clearly does not count the income of their foreign slaves). PPP adjusted, btw. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-income-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-in...
  - mullingitover 2y ago
    Hmm, I'm seeing a different story in the World Bank's data[1] for GPD per capita, PPP adjusted. It shows the US in 12th place. Regardless, I'm happy to cede this point as it's irrelevant to the topic I was discussing: Cuba isn't that poor compared to its peers. [1] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?most_recent_value_desc=true https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?most_...

paxys 2y ago

There is no blocade. Cuba is free to trade with whoever it wants, as is the US.

tehjoker 2y ago
"DSA Says Let Cuba Live: Ending the US Blockade Today" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXoXOo7_oLM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXoXOo7_oLM

agonz253 2y ago

Is it the embargo that prohibits fishermen in Cuba from fishing, farmers from harvesting, cubans from freely doing business? Is it also responsible for cubans getting beaten and imprisoned for thinking differently? Was it the embargo that destroyed every sugar mill in the country, textile factory, shoe factory, you name it?… The dictatorship is the one responsible for all these things.

feedforward 2y ago
CIA-backed groups in Miami were bombing Cuban hotels in the 1990s. They were bombing Cuban passenger airlines, killing many civilians. They were burning sugar fields. Of course there was also the Bay of Pigs invasion, the theft of Guantanamo harbor etc.
- agonz253 2y ago
  https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/red-herring-fallacy/ https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/red-herring-fallacy/