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Florida’s Building Code requires restaurants to have one or more public restrooms. There is no state law that forces restaurants to allow people to use those r

Florida’s Building Code requires restaurants to have one or more public restrooms. There is no state law that forces restaurants to allow people to use those restrooms. Restaurants can refuse access to non-customers.

SoftTalker 2y ago
> Restaurants can refuse access to non-customers. And many do, because of the repeated experiences of non-customers destroying the restrooms. They aren't doing it just to be dicks to people who need to pee but don't want to buy something.
- exe34 2y ago
  would it help if there were mass shit-ins? say at council offices, outside the governor's office, etc.
  - blitzar 2y ago
    It would help if people didn't literally smear shit on the walls of public bathrooms when they use them. This is why we can't have nice things.
    - exe34 2y ago
      I imagine these people have mental illness that we decided to "treat in the community", i.e. closed the mental health facilities and simply sent them on their way. there are plenty of roboloos that clean themselves now though, so that's not really an excuse anymore.
mcculley 2y ago
Florida Administrative Code Chapter 61C-1.004 2.a requires at least one bathroom for "its employees and guests". It is not clear to me if that means one is required to consider non-customers as "guests". But there is more law than the Florida Building Code. https://www.flrules.org/gateway/readFile.asp?sid=0&tid=27562955&type=1&file=61C-1.004.doc https://www.flrules.org/gateway/readFile.asp?sid=0&tid=27562...
- riku_iki 2y ago
  Sounds like until someone sue restaurant for denying access to toilet, and this go through appellate court, they do what they want to do?
- zo1 2y ago
  Ahh, good old ambiguous laws strike again. You read it and might think guests applies to non paying customers. I read it and see it only applying to their guests, i.e. patrons of their restaurant. 3rd person might interpret as simply meaning the restaurant determines who is a guest and it can swing either way. 4th person is a lawyer and thinks some random other part of this document or other law or court case defines guest therefore his interpretation is correct. 5th person is like, we don't care, public access to toilets is a human right and proclaims the first 4 are bigots and such restaurants are to be sued. 6th person starts an organization to catalog all misbehaving restaurants and labels them discrimatory. And so it goes, and will go on till the end of time.
bombcar 2y ago
bombcar's guide to determining if you're a nice part of town - how easy it is to get to a restroom nicest places? good signage, no need to even interact with a human, restrooms that look like the Taj Mahal. middling places? restrooms exist, but you might have to ask bad places? restrooms are hidden, maybe if the clerk is nice you can use theirs, or you have to buy something horrible places? restrooms that do exist look like something from a horror movie, they're locked stronger than Fort Knox, and even then you have to buy, beg just to borrow the key

SoftTalker 2y ago

> Restaurants can refuse access to non-customers. And many do, because of the repeated experiences of non-customers destroying the restrooms. They aren't doing it just to be dicks to people who need to pee but don't want to buy something.

exe34 2y ago
would it help if there were mass shit-ins? say at council offices, outside the governor's office, etc.
- blitzar 2y ago
  It would help if people didn't literally smear shit on the walls of public bathrooms when they use them. This is why we can't have nice things.
  - exe34 2y ago
    I imagine these people have mental illness that we decided to "treat in the community", i.e. closed the mental health facilities and simply sent them on their way. there are plenty of roboloos that clean themselves now though, so that's not really an excuse anymore.

mcculley 2y ago

Florida Administrative Code Chapter 61C-1.004 2.a requires at least one bathroom for "its employees and guests". It is not clear to me if that means one is required to consider non-customers as "guests". But there is more law than the Florida Building Code. https://www.flrules.org/gateway/readFile.asp?sid=0&tid=27562955&type=1&file=61C-1.004.doc https://www.flrules.org/gateway/readFile.asp?sid=0&tid=27562...

riku_iki 2y ago
Sounds like until someone sue restaurant for denying access to toilet, and this go through appellate court, they do what they want to do?
zo1 2y ago
Ahh, good old ambiguous laws strike again. You read it and might think guests applies to non paying customers. I read it and see it only applying to their guests, i.e. patrons of their restaurant. 3rd person might interpret as simply meaning the restaurant determines who is a guest and it can swing either way. 4th person is a lawyer and thinks some random other part of this document or other law or court case defines guest therefore his interpretation is correct. 5th person is like, we don't care, public access to toilets is a human right and proclaims the first 4 are bigots and such restaurants are to be sued. 6th person starts an organization to catalog all misbehaving restaurants and labels them discrimatory. And so it goes, and will go on till the end of time.

bombcar 2y ago

bombcar's guide to determining if you're a nice part of town - how easy it is to get to a restroom nicest places? good signage, no need to even interact with a human, restrooms that look like the Taj Mahal. middling places? restrooms exist, but you might have to ask bad places? restrooms are hidden, maybe if the clerk is nice you can use theirs, or you have to buy something horrible places? restrooms that do exist look like something from a horror movie, they're locked stronger than Fort Knox, and even then you have to buy, beg just to borrow the key