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How very odd and unfortunate. Name brand recognition is an invaluable thing which can't simply be replaced on a whim.

by sgbeal 2y ago

ghaff 2y ago
That's true but coincidentally I was just in a conversation with someone on Mastodon discussing community vs. commercial distros (in the context of RHEL/CentOS/Fedora) and they made the comment that a lot of people thought OpenSUSE was too closely aligned with the commercial product. Without any inside knowledge, it seems like this might be part of dealing with that. FWIW, some of the SUSE leadership is ex-Red Hat so that might inform some thinking. ADDED: I'd also add that this is a longstanding products vs. projects branding issue. There's a huge temptation to lean in on an existing brand--whether a product or project--which leads to pain and suffering as you need to draw lines between the two.
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  > vs. commercial distros (in the context of RHEL/CentOS/Fedora) and they made the comment that a lot of people thought OpenSUSE was too closely aligned with the commercial product. That's odd. Compared to Fedora I could see, but CentOS Stream is straight up RHEL beta.
  - ghaff 2y ago
    Yeah. I was referring to CentOS pre-Stream and cutoff of updates from Red Hat. Not really comparable though as CentOS was a downstream rebuild. And, as you say, CentOS Stream is roughly the RHEL nightlies. Red Hat (since RHEL) never really had a community distro that was closely aligned with RHEL--at least after Fedora matured as a quasi-independent project.
  - dralley 2y ago
    OpenSUSE is to SUSE more as CentOS was to RHEL, than it is comparable to CentOS Stream. The community can contribute things to CentOS Stream and, so long as they meet Red Hat's guidelines of what is allowable, it can be merged there and flow downstream into RHEL and RHEL rebuilds. I don't think that's the case with OpenSUSE. But then I'm not that familiar with their ecosystem.
    - ghaff 2y ago
      I admit to not understanding the relationship between OpenSUSE and SUSE as well as I understand the relationship between the various Red Hat distributions but my impression is that it's neither a strict downstream rebuild nor a somewhat arms-length upstream--but happy to be educated.
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How very odd and unfortunate. Name brand recognition is an invaluable thing which can't simply be replaced on a whim.

by sgbeal 2y ago

How very odd and unfortunate. Name brand recognition is an invaluable thing which can't simply be replaced on a whim.

That's true but coincidentally I was just in a conversation with someone on Mastodon discussing community vs. commercial distros (in the context of RHEL/CentOS/Fedora) and they made the comment that a lot of people thought OpenSUSE was too closely aligned with the commercial product. Without any inside knowledge, it seems like this might be part of dealing with that. FWIW, some of the SUSE leadership is ex-Red Hat so that might inform some thinking. ADDED: I'd also add that this is a longstanding products vs. projects branding issue. There's a huge temptation to lean in on an existing brand--whether a product or project--which leads to pain and suffering as you need to draw lines between the two.

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
> vs. commercial distros (in the context of RHEL/CentOS/Fedora) and they made the comment that a lot of people thought OpenSUSE was too closely aligned with the commercial product. That's odd. Compared to Fedora I could see, but CentOS Stream is straight up RHEL beta.
- ghaff 2y ago
  Yeah. I was referring to CentOS pre-Stream and cutoff of updates from Red Hat. Not really comparable though as CentOS was a downstream rebuild. And, as you say, CentOS Stream is roughly the RHEL nightlies. Red Hat (since RHEL) never really had a community distro that was closely aligned with RHEL--at least after Fedora matured as a quasi-independent project.
- dralley 2y ago
  OpenSUSE is to SUSE more as CentOS was to RHEL, than it is comparable to CentOS Stream. The community can contribute things to CentOS Stream and, so long as they meet Red Hat's guidelines of what is allowable, it can be merged there and flow downstream into RHEL and RHEL rebuilds. I don't think that's the case with OpenSUSE. But then I'm not that familiar with their ecosystem.
  - ghaff 2y ago
    I admit to not understanding the relationship between OpenSUSE and SUSE as well as I understand the relationship between the various Red Hat distributions but my impression is that it's neither a strict downstream rebuild nor a somewhat arms-length upstream--but happy to be educated.

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