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> That other thread with more than 3000 msgs may or may not have this info, hard to read... Feed it to an LLM to summarize /s

mikequinlan 2y ago
Gemini says this: "This is an article about a Reddit thread discussing why a diesel repair shop had a system-wide failure. The conversation centers around why industrial equipment, like lifts and cranes, would be running Windows and be connected to a network. People debate the pros and cons of having internet-connected machinery, with some arguing for the benefits of remote monitoring and updates and others expressing concerns about security vulnerabilities. Many users point out that some critical systems, like elevators, could be controlled with simpler and more reliable solutions."
- qingcharles 2y ago
  Pack it up, boys! Our work here is done...
  - lobsterthief 2y ago
    Mission Accomplished(tm)
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  I'm extremely for integration of smart features into home, business and industrial applications. However, and this is a great, great big HOWEVER, the smart features must always be an added feature, and absent the customer desiring to use them, or the ability to use them via technical issues/obsolescence, the equipment in question should degrade to a usable state. Perfect example: I own a bunch of iHome smart outlets that I use with Apple HomeKit. Got a whole box of the things off ebay years ago, paid about $6 each. Along with (obviously) being a smart home accessory that runs via HomeKit, they have a little button on the side you can push to toggle the power on and off. So, in the odd event that my network is being uncooperative and I need to turn a light off, I can do that very easily. Not as easily as I could with my phone, but still quite easily. I don't understand why industry is so hostile to this. It just makes sense to me: build in all the smart features you like, but if they're not working, just have the bloody thing operate like a normal... whatever. Microwave, lamp, etc.
  - efitz 2y ago
    I call this “fail normal” and it has been a foundational principle of all my smart home automation.
  - lambdaone 2y ago
    For me, the word "smart" is a red flag. It generally means "unnecessary feature that's designed to screw you".
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
- pdimitar 2y ago
  I hope you are joking but with my constantly degrading opinion of LLMs it would not at all surprise me if you are in fact not joking.
  - yojo 2y ago
    One of the most popular threads was about a diesel repair shop.[1] Probably a context window issue. 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41008009 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41008009
    - pdimitar 2y ago
      Oh I get how it happened just fine, man (and thanks for the context for future readers, it's helpful). I think think there are way too many keywords to change context but the LLM of course did not do that. Sigh.
- zozbot234 2y ago
  Did you add "write the summary in the n-gate.com style" to the prompt too? It sure looks like you did.
- bell-cot 2y ago
  > Many users point out that some critical systems, like elevators, could be controlled with simpler and more reliable solutions. All too true. But between the "we can sell far more stuff if we convince people to replace things that still work fine" of Modern Capitalism, and the "I can brag about all our Shiny New Stuff, and it ain't my money" of Modern Executives...
AndrewKemendo 2y ago
Here’s Gpt4o: The thread on Hacker News revolves around a significant incident where a CrowdStrike update led to widespread issues, including Windows blue screens and boot loops. This event affected various industries, including facilities where heavy machinery like lifts and cranes depend on Windows-operated systems. 1. *Incident Overview*: The CrowdStrike update caused critical system failures, leading to operational disruptions across multiple sectors. Users reported being unable to operate essential equipment, disarm alarms, or use communication tools, which brought businesses to a standstill. 2. *Root Cause Analysis*: The primary issue stemmed from an update pushed by CrowdStrike that conflicted with existing systems, particularly those running on Windows. This led to blue screens and boot loops, effectively rendering systems inoperable. The reliance on Windows for industrial control systems (HMI - Human-Machine Interface) exacerbated the impact. 3. *Quality Assurance and Deployment*: There was significant discussion on how such a critical update passed QA. It's suggested that the widespread deployment of uniform security policies without tailored considerations for different system requirements contributed to the problem. In some cases, security software was installed on systems where it might not have been necessary, driven by compliance needs and centralized IT policies. 4. *Implications and Lessons*: The incident highlights the vulnerabilities of interconnected systems and the challenges in managing updates and security across diverse operational environments. It underscores the need for robust QA processes and the potential risks of over-centralized security policies. For more detailed discussions and perspectives, you can review the full thread [here](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41002195 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41002195).

mikequinlan 2y ago

Gemini says this: "This is an article about a Reddit thread discussing why a diesel repair shop had a system-wide failure. The conversation centers around why industrial equipment, like lifts and cranes, would be running Windows and be connected to a network. People debate the pros and cons of having internet-connected machinery, with some arguing for the benefits of remote monitoring and updates and others expressing concerns about security vulnerabilities. Many users point out that some critical systems, like elevators, could be controlled with simpler and more reliable solutions."

qingcharles 2y ago
Pack it up, boys! Our work here is done...
- lobsterthief 2y ago
  Mission Accomplished(tm)
ToucanLoucan 2y ago
I'm extremely for integration of smart features into home, business and industrial applications. However, and this is a great, great big HOWEVER, the smart features must always be an added feature, and absent the customer desiring to use them, or the ability to use them via technical issues/obsolescence, the equipment in question should degrade to a usable state. Perfect example: I own a bunch of iHome smart outlets that I use with Apple HomeKit. Got a whole box of the things off ebay years ago, paid about $6 each. Along with (obviously) being a smart home accessory that runs via HomeKit, they have a little button on the side you can push to toggle the power on and off. So, in the odd event that my network is being uncooperative and I need to turn a light off, I can do that very easily. Not as easily as I could with my phone, but still quite easily. I don't understand why industry is so hostile to this. It just makes sense to me: build in all the smart features you like, but if they're not working, just have the bloody thing operate like a normal... whatever. Microwave, lamp, etc.
- efitz 2y ago
  I call this “fail normal” and it has been a foundational principle of all my smart home automation.
- lambdaone 2y ago
  For me, the word "smart" is a red flag. It generally means "unnecessary feature that's designed to screw you".
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
pdimitar 2y ago
I hope you are joking but with my constantly degrading opinion of LLMs it would not at all surprise me if you are in fact not joking.
- yojo 2y ago
  One of the most popular threads was about a diesel repair shop.[1] Probably a context window issue. 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41008009 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41008009
  - pdimitar 2y ago
    Oh I get how it happened just fine, man (and thanks for the context for future readers, it's helpful). I think think there are way too many keywords to change context but the LLM of course did not do that. Sigh.
zozbot234 2y ago
Did you add "write the summary in the n-gate.com style" to the prompt too? It sure looks like you did.
bell-cot 2y ago
> Many users point out that some critical systems, like elevators, could be controlled with simpler and more reliable solutions. All too true. But between the "we can sell far more stuff if we convince people to replace things that still work fine" of Modern Capitalism, and the "I can brag about all our Shiny New Stuff, and it ain't my money" of Modern Executives...

AndrewKemendo 2y ago

Here’s Gpt4o: The thread on Hacker News revolves around a significant incident where a CrowdStrike update led to widespread issues, including Windows blue screens and boot loops. This event affected various industries, including facilities where heavy machinery like lifts and cranes depend on Windows-operated systems. 1. *Incident Overview*: The CrowdStrike update caused critical system failures, leading to operational disruptions across multiple sectors. Users reported being unable to operate essential equipment, disarm alarms, or use communication tools, which brought businesses to a standstill. 2. *Root Cause Analysis*: The primary issue stemmed from an update pushed by CrowdStrike that conflicted with existing systems, particularly those running on Windows. This led to blue screens and boot loops, effectively rendering systems inoperable. The reliance on Windows for industrial control systems (HMI - Human-Machine Interface) exacerbated the impact. 3. *Quality Assurance and Deployment*: There was significant discussion on how such a critical update passed QA. It's suggested that the widespread deployment of uniform security policies without tailored considerations for different system requirements contributed to the problem. In some cases, security software was installed on systems where it might not have been necessary, driven by compliance needs and centralized IT policies. 4. *Implications and Lessons*: The incident highlights the vulnerabilities of interconnected systems and the challenges in managing updates and security across diverse operational environments. It underscores the need for robust QA processes and the potential risks of over-centralized security policies. For more detailed discussions and perspectives, you can review the full thread [here](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41002195 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41002195).