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2023 is 37.4, which is a fair increase on 2019. More importantly the chart that matters is total CO2 in atmosphere. You can't even see 2020 on here. That was a

by graeme 2y ago

2023 is 37.4, which is a fair increase on 2019. More importantly the chart that matters is total CO2 in atmosphere. You can't even see 2020 on here. That was a one off 5% decrease. Imagine if you had $1,000,0000 in your bank account and were spending $100,000 per year, except one year you spent $95,000. That's 2020. This methane news is on top of CO2 as it has its own added impact. Proper optimism that we can do it first requires taking stock of where we actually are. So far we haven't actually displaced any carbon energy and we are at the all time highest levels of both annually emissions and also CO2 in the atmosphere. Chart of total CO2 concentration over time: https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/ https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/

datavirtue 2y ago
Cleared that shit up.
czbond 2y ago
Interesting - thanks for the CO2 concentration link. I am curious what prior to 2019 looked like (eg: if it was a comparable size, yet dipped in 2019-2021) and is back to normal.
- graeme 2y ago
  Have a look at the right hand chart. That shows the increase from 1960 until now. You couldn't spot 2020 by eyeballing the chart. 2020 was a 5% dip in the pace of the increase. It's like someone gained ten pounds in 2019, 9.5 pounds in 2020, and 10 pounds in 2021. CO2 emissions are analogous to a total gain, so a 5% one off cut isn't very meaningful.
elbasti 2y ago
> Imagine if you had $1,000,0000 in your bank account and were spending $100,000 per year, except one year you spent $95,000. That's 2020. It's even worse, because there's positive feedback loops we've probably unlocked (mainly artic and tropical methane). So it's more like every year you put $100K on a credit card with high interest rate with continually compounding interest.* Even if we stopped spending tomorrow, the debt will continue to grow exponentially. *And the card is owned by a mob boss that will blow your brains out when your debt exceeds your bank balance.

by graeme 2y ago

datavirtue 2y ago

Cleared that shit up.

czbond 2y ago

Interesting - thanks for the CO2 concentration link. I am curious what prior to 2019 looked like (eg: if it was a comparable size, yet dipped in 2019-2021) and is back to normal.

graeme 2y ago
Have a look at the right hand chart. That shows the increase from 1960 until now. You couldn't spot 2020 by eyeballing the chart. 2020 was a 5% dip in the pace of the increase. It's like someone gained ten pounds in 2019, 9.5 pounds in 2020, and 10 pounds in 2021. CO2 emissions are analogous to a total gain, so a 5% one off cut isn't very meaningful.

elbasti 2y ago

> Imagine if you had $1,000,0000 in your bank account and were spending $100,000 per year, except one year you spent $95,000. That's 2020. It's even worse, because there's positive feedback loops we've probably unlocked (mainly artic and tropical methane). So it's more like every year you put $100K on a credit card with high interest rate with continually compounding interest.* Even if we stopped spending tomorrow, the debt will continue to grow exponentially. *And the card is owned by a mob boss that will blow your brains out when your debt exceeds your bank balance.