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Maybe paper-based book will be fashionable again.

by gwervc 2y ago

tbatchelli 2y ago
Combine LLMs with on-demand printing and publishing platforms like Amazon and realize that even print books can now be AI-tainted.
- input_sh 2y ago
  So what? Stupid shit gets posted as a "book" on Amazon all the time, with or without AI. Doesn't mean anyone buys it.
  - dartos 2y ago
    Hey woah. Take that reality elsewhere, sir. We’re doomering in this here thread. /s
  - cogman10 2y ago
    The issue is that the AI shit is flooding out anything good. Nearly any metric you can think of to measure "good" by is being gamed ATM which makes it really hard to actually find something good. Impossible to discover new/smaller authors.
    - myaccountonhn 2y ago
      Read literature magazines and check the authors there?
  - rurp 2y ago
    Scale matters. The ability to churn out bad writing is increasing by orders of magnitude and could drown out the already small amount of high quality works.
    - czl 2y ago
      While it's true that the volume of bad writing is increasing, our ability to analyze and refine this sludge is also improving. Just as spell check and grammar check give instant feedback why not AI instant feedback about writing quality / originality / suitability / correctness / … ? If instant feedback can improve spelling and grammar why not these other things?
- zer00eyz 2y ago
  > The Fifty Shades trilogy was developed from a Twilight fan fiction series originally titled Master of the Universe and published by James episodically on fan fiction websites under the pen name "Snowqueen Icedragon". Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_Shades_of_Grey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_Shades_of_Grey The AI is already tainted with human output.... If you think its spitting out garbage it's because that's what we fed it. There is the old Carlin bit about "for there to be an average intelligence, half of the people need to be below it". Maybe we should not call it AI rather AM, Artificial Mediocrity, it would be reflection of its source material.
  - czl 2y ago
    > There is the old Carlin bit about "for there to be an average intelligence, half of the people need to be below it". This is true for the median, not necessarily for the average.
  - sebastiennight 2y ago
    If 99 people have an IQ of 101, and the last person's IQ is 1, then the average IQ is 100. How many people are below the average IQ?
jsheard 2y ago
Print-on-demand means that paper books will be just as flooded with LLM sludge as eBook stores. I think we are at risk of regressing back to huge publishers being de-facto gatekeepers, because every easily accessible avenue to getting published is going to get crushed under this race to the bottom. Likewise with record labels if platforms like Spotify which allow self-publishing get overwhelmed with Suno slop, which is already on the rise (there's some conspiracy theories that Spotify themselves are making it, but there's more than enough opportunistic grifters in the world who could be trying to get rich quick by spamming it). https://old.reddit.com/r/Jazz/comments/1dxj409/is_spotify_using_ai_to_make_fake_jazz_music_to/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Jazz/comments/1dxj409/is_spotify_us...
InsideOutSanta 2y ago
Beware the print-on-demand AI slop. Paper can not save us.
- recursive 2y ago
  AI is still not able to re-appropriate paper from meaningful books. Yet.

Maybe paper-based book will be fashionable again.

by gwervc 2y ago

Maybe paper-based book will be fashionable again.

Combine LLMs with on-demand printing and publishing platforms like Amazon and realize that even print books can now be AI-tainted.

input_sh 2y ago
So what? Stupid shit gets posted as a "book" on Amazon all the time, with or without AI. Doesn't mean anyone buys it.
- dartos 2y ago
  Hey woah. Take that reality elsewhere, sir. We’re doomering in this here thread. /s
- cogman10 2y ago
  The issue is that the AI shit is flooding out anything good. Nearly any metric you can think of to measure "good" by is being gamed ATM which makes it really hard to actually find something good. Impossible to discover new/smaller authors.
  - myaccountonhn 2y ago
    Read literature magazines and check the authors there?
- rurp 2y ago
  Scale matters. The ability to churn out bad writing is increasing by orders of magnitude and could drown out the already small amount of high quality works.
  - czl 2y ago
    While it's true that the volume of bad writing is increasing, our ability to analyze and refine this sludge is also improving. Just as spell check and grammar check give instant feedback why not AI instant feedback about writing quality / originality / suitability / correctness / … ? If instant feedback can improve spelling and grammar why not these other things?
zer00eyz 2y ago
> The Fifty Shades trilogy was developed from a Twilight fan fiction series originally titled Master of the Universe and published by James episodically on fan fiction websites under the pen name "Snowqueen Icedragon". Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_Shades_of_Grey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_Shades_of_Grey The AI is already tainted with human output.... If you think its spitting out garbage it's because that's what we fed it. There is the old Carlin bit about "for there to be an average intelligence, half of the people need to be below it". Maybe we should not call it AI rather AM, Artificial Mediocrity, it would be reflection of its source material.
- czl 2y ago
  > There is the old Carlin bit about "for there to be an average intelligence, half of the people need to be below it". This is true for the median, not necessarily for the average.
- sebastiennight 2y ago
  If 99 people have an IQ of 101, and the last person's IQ is 1, then the average IQ is 100. How many people are below the average IQ?

jsheard 2y ago

Print-on-demand means that paper books will be just as flooded with LLM sludge as eBook stores. I think we are at risk of regressing back to huge publishers being de-facto gatekeepers, because every easily accessible avenue to getting published is going to get crushed under this race to the bottom. Likewise with record labels if platforms like Spotify which allow self-publishing get overwhelmed with Suno slop, which is already on the rise (there's some conspiracy theories that Spotify themselves are making it, but there's more than enough opportunistic grifters in the world who could be trying to get rich quick by spamming it). https://old.reddit.com/r/Jazz/comments/1dxj409/is_spotify_using_ai_to_make_fake_jazz_music_to/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Jazz/comments/1dxj409/is_spotify_us...

InsideOutSanta 2y ago

Beware the print-on-demand AI slop. Paper can not save us.

recursive 2y ago
AI is still not able to re-appropriate paper from meaningful books. Yet.