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Qubes is great but no desktop GPU supports virtualization.

klodolph 2y ago
I could be happy if the GPU was only used for compositing. If I were doing ML work, maybe I do that work in an ephemeral cloud environment. I know this doesn’t cover everyone’s use case, but it doesn’t have to.
fsflover 2y ago
They plan to add GPU acceleration in the next release: https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8553 https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8553 See also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLQMQQsKgvLntZiKoELFs22Mtk-tBNNOMJ&v=FrKEUVB-BYM https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLQMQQsKgvLntZiKoELFs22Mt...
- wtallis 2y ago
  > They plan to add GPU acceleration in the next release: https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8553 https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8553 You say they're planning to add a feature in the next release, but what you linked to is merely an uncompleted to-do item for creating a UI switch to toggle a feature that hasn't been written yet. I think you win the prize for the most ridiculous exaggeration in this thread. Unless you can link to something that actually comes anywhere close to supporting your claim, you're just recklessly lying.
  - fsflover 2y ago
    The linked Issue #8553 is "just" about creating a toggle for GPU acceleration. It's blocked by Issue #8552 [0], which is the actual Issue about the acceleration and originally belonged to Milestone "Release 4.3". It seems to have been removed later, which I didn't expect or know about. Accusation of lying was completely unnecessary in your comment. Moreover, the Milestone was removed not because they changed their mind about the Release but for other reasons [1]. [0] https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8552 https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8552 [1] https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/milestone/28 https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/milestone/28 See also: https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/gpu-acceleration-development/24712/7 https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/gpu-acceleration-development/24...
    - wtallis 2y ago
      Ok, so your [0] shows that the real work has barely been started. The only indication it was ever planned for the next release was a misunderstanding on your part about the meaning of a tag that was applied to the issue for less than one day last fall, and they've stopped tagging issues with milestones to prevent such misunderstandings in the future. It still looks to me like your exaggerated claim was grounded in little more than wishful thinking.
- reginald78 2y ago
  Am I missing something? This is to add a toggle button and the developers say they are blocked because GPU acceleration feature doesn't exist so the button wouldn't be able to do anything.
  - fsflover 2y ago
    See my other comment here.
wolrah 2y ago
> Qubes is great but no desktop GPU supports virtualization. Intel 12th-gen and newer iGPUs do, and AFAIK it can be unlocked on certain Arc cards as well but details are fuzzy.

I could be happy if the GPU was only used for compositing. If I were doing ML work, maybe I do that work in an ephemeral cloud environment. I know this doesn’t cover everyone’s use case, but it doesn’t have to.

fsflover 2y ago

They plan to add GPU acceleration in the next release: https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8553 https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8553 See also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLQMQQsKgvLntZiKoELFs22Mtk-tBNNOMJ&v=FrKEUVB-BYM https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLQMQQsKgvLntZiKoELFs22Mt...

wtallis 2y ago
> They plan to add GPU acceleration in the next release: https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8553 https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8553 You say they're planning to add a feature in the next release, but what you linked to is merely an uncompleted to-do item for creating a UI switch to toggle a feature that hasn't been written yet. I think you win the prize for the most ridiculous exaggeration in this thread. Unless you can link to something that actually comes anywhere close to supporting your claim, you're just recklessly lying.
- fsflover 2y ago
  The linked Issue #8553 is "just" about creating a toggle for GPU acceleration. It's blocked by Issue #8552 [0], which is the actual Issue about the acceleration and originally belonged to Milestone "Release 4.3". It seems to have been removed later, which I didn't expect or know about. Accusation of lying was completely unnecessary in your comment. Moreover, the Milestone was removed not because they changed their mind about the Release but for other reasons [1]. [0] https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8552 https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8552 [1] https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/milestone/28 https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/milestone/28 See also: https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/gpu-acceleration-development/24712/7 https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/gpu-acceleration-development/24...
  - wtallis 2y ago
    Ok, so your [0] shows that the real work has barely been started. The only indication it was ever planned for the next release was a misunderstanding on your part about the meaning of a tag that was applied to the issue for less than one day last fall, and they've stopped tagging issues with milestones to prevent such misunderstandings in the future. It still looks to me like your exaggerated claim was grounded in little more than wishful thinking.
reginald78 2y ago
Am I missing something? This is to add a toggle button and the developers say they are blocked because GPU acceleration feature doesn't exist so the button wouldn't be able to do anything.
- fsflover 2y ago
  See my other comment here.

wolrah 2y ago

> Qubes is great but no desktop GPU supports virtualization. Intel 12th-gen and newer iGPUs do, and AFAIK it can be unlocked on certain Arc cards as well but details are fuzzy.