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There are many countries where Russian is spoken as a language and when people identify as "Russian" it is mostly the traditions and history. It has nothing to

There are many countries where Russian is spoken as a language and when people identify as "Russian" it is mostly the traditions and history. It has nothing to do with geopolitics. It is language, religion, family values, holidays, food, celebrations, traditions, etc.... This is what is meant by identifying as Russian. There are people proud to say they have this heritage, it doesn't mean you are a Putin lover and want to recapture the former USSR.

almostgotcaught 2y ago
> It is language, religion, family values, holidays, food, celebrations, traditions, etc.... This is what is meant by identifying as Russian. Complete BS. The only people in Moldova/Romania that identify as Russian are Russians or Putin sympathizers. And this is also true of most other former soviets I've met . No one is "proud" of having been colonized by the USSR. Source: am Moldovan.
- protomolecule 2y ago
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  - inglor_cz 2y ago
    Frivolous? Stalin's campaign against various subjugated nations (Baltic, Crimean Tatars etc.) would fit right in, only it happened generation(s) later, in a supposed Paradise of Workers and Peasants. Mass deportations, artificial famine, mass executions, torture.
    - protomolecule 2y ago
      Don't you think Moldovans are doing much better that Native Americans in the US? You need to see the breakdown of Stalin's victims by ethnicity and see how many Russians there are. "artificial famine" For example: "It has been estimated that between 3.3 and 3.9 million died in Ukraine, between 2 and 3 million died in Russia, and 1.5–2 million (1.3 million of whom were ethnic Kazakhs) died in Kazakhstan." [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%931933#Estimation_of_the_loss_of_life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%93...
  - alxlaz 2y ago
    Yes. Many of the Russian Empire's, and later USSR's former territories have their own versions of the trail of tears, reservations, and atrocities in Congo, except with Russian/Soviets at the privileged end. It's not a frivolous use of the word at all.
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    - protomolecule 2y ago
      I think Moldovans are doing much better that Native Americans in the US. "have their own versions of the atrocities in Congo" I think you need to read on the history of Congo. "except with Russian/Soviets at the privileged end" This is where you are wrong. Russians suffered from the crimes of bolshevik's/Stalin's regime just as much.
      - alxlaz 2y ago
        Mate, you realise you're talking to someone who's lost family members to, and has grown among victims of, trail of tears, state-organised atrocities (from forced labour to hostage-taking) that totally didn't happen, and reservations that we totally didn't have, right? You think those things didn't happen in the former Soviet space? Buy a plane ticket, I'll introduce you to a few hundred survivors who experienced them first-hand so that you can tell them they just imagined it. Colonial Europe had no shortage of mad dictators that European population suffered at the hands of. Colonising other parts of the world while also hurting one's own people are not mutually incompatible.
        protomolecule 2y ago
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        alxlaz 2y ago
        > The USSR proclaimed friendship of peoples My apologies, I thought this was a serious discussion. By that standard, European colonization never happened, either. All European colonial powers proclaimed things like a civilizing mission. Several of them had "indigenous" programs, too. > Had Stalin who collectively punished ethnicities which collaborated with Nazi more than others. Oh really. Remember that time when, in formal collaboration with Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union invaded Poland, and later annexed parts of then-neutral Romania, after which they promptly began mass repressions against Romanian-speaking population? Does that count towards the "friendship of peoples", or, as the Radio Yerevan joke went, only towards friendship with certain Aryan peoples? Not to mention that this entire "Nazi collaboration" narrative is a fictitious distinction in and of itself. The Soviet Union literally collaborated with Nazi Germany at the highest government level before their alliance broke down and ended up in war.

almostgotcaught 2y ago

> It is language, religion, family values, holidays, food, celebrations, traditions, etc.... This is what is meant by identifying as Russian. Complete BS. The only people in Moldova/Romania that identify as Russian are Russians or Putin sympathizers. And this is also true of most other former soviets I've met . No one is "proud" of having been colonized by the USSR. Source: am Moldovan.

protomolecule 2y ago
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- inglor_cz 2y ago
  Frivolous? Stalin's campaign against various subjugated nations (Baltic, Crimean Tatars etc.) would fit right in, only it happened generation(s) later, in a supposed Paradise of Workers and Peasants. Mass deportations, artificial famine, mass executions, torture.
  - protomolecule 2y ago
    Don't you think Moldovans are doing much better that Native Americans in the US? You need to see the breakdown of Stalin's victims by ethnicity and see how many Russians there are. "artificial famine" For example: "It has been estimated that between 3.3 and 3.9 million died in Ukraine, between 2 and 3 million died in Russia, and 1.5–2 million (1.3 million of whom were ethnic Kazakhs) died in Kazakhstan." [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%931933#Estimation_of_the_loss_of_life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%93...
- alxlaz 2y ago
  Yes. Many of the Russian Empire's, and later USSR's former territories have their own versions of the trail of tears, reservations, and atrocities in Congo, except with Russian/Soviets at the privileged end. It's not a frivolous use of the word at all.
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  - protomolecule 2y ago
    I think Moldovans are doing much better that Native Americans in the US. "have their own versions of the atrocities in Congo" I think you need to read on the history of Congo. "except with Russian/Soviets at the privileged end" This is where you are wrong. Russians suffered from the crimes of bolshevik's/Stalin's regime just as much.
    - alxlaz 2y ago
      Mate, you realise you're talking to someone who's lost family members to, and has grown among victims of, trail of tears, state-organised atrocities (from forced labour to hostage-taking) that totally didn't happen, and reservations that we totally didn't have, right? You think those things didn't happen in the former Soviet space? Buy a plane ticket, I'll introduce you to a few hundred survivors who experienced them first-hand so that you can tell them they just imagined it. Colonial Europe had no shortage of mad dictators that European population suffered at the hands of. Colonising other parts of the world while also hurting one's own people are not mutually incompatible.
      - protomolecule 2y ago
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        alxlaz 2y ago
        > The USSR proclaimed friendship of peoples My apologies, I thought this was a serious discussion. By that standard, European colonization never happened, either. All European colonial powers proclaimed things like a civilizing mission. Several of them had "indigenous" programs, too. > Had Stalin who collectively punished ethnicities which collaborated with Nazi more than others. Oh really. Remember that time when, in formal collaboration with Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union invaded Poland, and later annexed parts of then-neutral Romania, after which they promptly began mass repressions against Romanian-speaking population? Does that count towards the "friendship of peoples", or, as the Radio Yerevan joke went, only towards friendship with certain Aryan peoples? Not to mention that this entire "Nazi collaboration" narrative is a fictitious distinction in and of itself. The Soviet Union literally collaborated with Nazi Germany at the highest government level before their alliance broke down and ended up in war.