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CrowdStrike itself will not fix anything. They published a guide on how to workaround the problem and that's it. Most likely a lot of sales reps and VPs will be

CrowdStrike itself will not fix anything. They published a guide on how to workaround the problem and that's it. Most likely a lot of sales reps and VPs will be fielding calls all over the weekend explaining large customers how did they manage to screw up and how much discount will they offer on the next renewal cycle. Legally, I think somewhere in their license it says is that they're not responsible in any way or form if their software malfunctions in any way.

delfinom 2y ago
Small companies get the shitty generic license. Big companies negotiate liability terms.
- betaby 2y ago
  > Big companies negotiate liability terms. Never heard that in the context of the software licenses.
  - rayrey 2y ago
    Pretty standard in enterprise b2b, most of the sales cycle is in contracts
    - betaby 2y ago
      Well, probably no? I've never seen liabilities in dollar value, or rather any significant value. Also I saw our company Ceowdstrike contract for 10k+ seats, no liabilities there.
  - levi-turner 2y ago
    This isn't a Github project with a MIT license. When you do B2B software, there aren't software licenses, there are contractual terms and conditions. The T&Cs outline any number of elements but including SLAs, financial penalties for contractual breaches, etc. Larger customers negotiate these T&Cs line by line. Smaller customers often accept the standard T&Cs.
    - ExoticPearTree 2y ago
      Penalties, as far as I was involved in vendor discussions, are a part of the negotiation only when the software provider does any work on the client's premises and are liable to that extent. For software, you don't pay penalties that it might malfunction once in a while, that's what bug-fixes are for and you get offered an SLA for that, but only for response time, not actual bug fixing. Where you do get penalties and maybe even your money back, is when the software is listed as being able to do X,Y,Z and it only does X and Z and the contract says it must do everything it said it does.
- crazygringo 2y ago
  > Big companies negotiate liability terms. I have never heard of that. Can you point to some examples? Not SLA's (which are standard), but actual liability? E.g. if we brick your computers we'll pay for replacements and lost employee productivity?
- saratogacx 2y ago
  Yep, I've been involved in many vender contracts at my company and the contracts take weeks to months to finalize because every aspect of the agreement is up for discussion. Even things like SLA's (including how they're calculated), liability limitations, indemnity, recourse in the event of system failure are all put through the ringer until both sides come to agreeable terms. This is true for big and tiny venders.
akdev1l 2y ago
> Legally, I think somewhere in their license it says is that they're not responsible in any way or form if their software malfunctions in any way. I really should add this to my resume and see if it’ll work.
- seanw444 2y ago
  Nah, it only works for corporations. Peons still have accountability.
  - consteval 2y ago
    I think about this all the time. Like if I kill someone of course I go to jail. But if I get some people together, say we're a company, and then kill 100 people, nobody goes to jail. How does that work? What a huge loophole.
    - ExoticPearTree 2y ago
      While it sounds funny, it doesn't work like that. We'd be having a real corporate shootouts everyday all over the place :))
    - roxil 2y ago
      Phillips (the company) basically killed people with malfunctioning CPAP machines (which are meant to help against sleep apnea) and no one went to jail. So that's a practical example.
  - School-Cotton 2y ago
    I don't think that's true in this case. I've never heard of an individual employee who introduced a bug being legally liable for it.
- TheCoelacanth 2y ago
  It's already the norm for devs to not be responsible for software malfunctions. They can choose to end their relationship with you, but they can't sue you for damages.
butlike 2y ago
"THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS-IS..."
- dintech 2y ago
  I think I preferred it AS-WAS.

delfinom 2y ago

Small companies get the shitty generic license. Big companies negotiate liability terms.

betaby 2y ago
> Big companies negotiate liability terms. Never heard that in the context of the software licenses.
- rayrey 2y ago
  Pretty standard in enterprise b2b, most of the sales cycle is in contracts
  - betaby 2y ago
    Well, probably no? I've never seen liabilities in dollar value, or rather any significant value. Also I saw our company Ceowdstrike contract for 10k+ seats, no liabilities there.
- levi-turner 2y ago
  This isn't a Github project with a MIT license. When you do B2B software, there aren't software licenses, there are contractual terms and conditions. The T&Cs outline any number of elements but including SLAs, financial penalties for contractual breaches, etc. Larger customers negotiate these T&Cs line by line. Smaller customers often accept the standard T&Cs.
  - ExoticPearTree 2y ago
    Penalties, as far as I was involved in vendor discussions, are a part of the negotiation only when the software provider does any work on the client's premises and are liable to that extent. For software, you don't pay penalties that it might malfunction once in a while, that's what bug-fixes are for and you get offered an SLA for that, but only for response time, not actual bug fixing. Where you do get penalties and maybe even your money back, is when the software is listed as being able to do X,Y,Z and it only does X and Z and the contract says it must do everything it said it does.
crazygringo 2y ago
> Big companies negotiate liability terms. I have never heard of that. Can you point to some examples? Not SLA's (which are standard), but actual liability? E.g. if we brick your computers we'll pay for replacements and lost employee productivity?
saratogacx 2y ago
Yep, I've been involved in many vender contracts at my company and the contracts take weeks to months to finalize because every aspect of the agreement is up for discussion. Even things like SLA's (including how they're calculated), liability limitations, indemnity, recourse in the event of system failure are all put through the ringer until both sides come to agreeable terms. This is true for big and tiny venders.

akdev1l 2y ago

> Legally, I think somewhere in their license it says is that they're not responsible in any way or form if their software malfunctions in any way. I really should add this to my resume and see if it’ll work.

seanw444 2y ago
Nah, it only works for corporations. Peons still have accountability.
- consteval 2y ago
  I think about this all the time. Like if I kill someone of course I go to jail. But if I get some people together, say we're a company, and then kill 100 people, nobody goes to jail. How does that work? What a huge loophole.
  - ExoticPearTree 2y ago
    While it sounds funny, it doesn't work like that. We'd be having a real corporate shootouts everyday all over the place :))
  - roxil 2y ago
    Phillips (the company) basically killed people with malfunctioning CPAP machines (which are meant to help against sleep apnea) and no one went to jail. So that's a practical example.
- School-Cotton 2y ago
  I don't think that's true in this case. I've never heard of an individual employee who introduced a bug being legally liable for it.
TheCoelacanth 2y ago
It's already the norm for devs to not be responsible for software malfunctions. They can choose to end their relationship with you, but they can't sue you for damages.

butlike 2y ago

"THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS-IS..."

dintech 2y ago
I think I preferred it AS-WAS.