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One solution is to throw out all those Ring cameras and get local storage solutions. After all, your data should belong to you.

RIMR 2y ago
I run a couple local wired cameras with a week of onboard storage that stream to a VPS running DVR software with months of storage. Hardly uses my gigabit connection, and the cloud video is impossible to destroy by anyone with access to the cameras. And it's my own Linux server. Nobody is going to hand anything over to the authorities behind my back.
- Thorentis 2y ago
  > VPS > nobody will hand anything over Uh, there's these things called subpoenas...
  - anonym29 2y ago
    There's this thing called the internet, it's an interconnected network that allows people in one jurisdiction, say, the United States, to access servers in another jurisdiction, say, Russia, who is well-known to not cooperate with international law enforcement. Get an American court to issue a subpoena for the data on my Russian dedi. The judge and prosecutor will die of old age before they get so much as a boilerplate response in a Cyrillic alphabet.
    - chatmasta 2y ago
      You gotta find a Russian dedi that is unwilling to respond to subpoenas but also secure enough not to be compromised by the NSA, who presumably has an ongoing operation to monitor “sketchy hosts” and poke holes in them by signing up, testing the internal management infrastructure, etc…
      - anonym29 2y ago
        NSA is not a law enforcement organization, and the national security need to keep NSA processess, techniques, tools, and practices as secret as possible is a powerful motivator to keep any traces of NSA capabilities far away from the legal discovery process of a courtroom. Parallel discovery is possible, but do you think the NSA is eager to risk tipping their hand to Russia just over some nobody's CCTV footage? I'm not that important.
        chatmasta 2y ago
        Yeah, you’re not wrong about that. Although I guess it depends what they think is on your security recordings, or what’s inside the building. Epstein had some wired cameras at his house…
    - gamblor956 2y ago
      The courts can also issue a subpoena to you and jail you if you refuse to comply.
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - anonym29 2y ago
        While this is true, the Fifth Amendment protects witnesses from being forced to incriminate themselves, and there is currently no law compelling key (or password) disclosure in the United States. Your choice of jurisdiction matters.
        gamblor956 2y ago
        That's partially true. Self incrimination refers to testimonial acts, and turning over data on a hard drive (or a physical key) is not a testimonial act.
        anonym29 2y ago
        The idea of a physical key, or even a physical hard drive being in play is a moot point for me, as the server and the storage drive aren't even in my possession. Even though the laws may facilitate a corrupt judge ordering me to provide a password, or even chaining back-to-back "contempt of court" charges just because I forgot my password, or my Russian provider locked me out, that doesn't make the judge's abuse of authority in that hypothetical scenario legitimate or just.
        gamblor956 2y ago
        Your choice of non-local provider for the express purpose of preventing physical access to justify evading a potential subpoeana can and will be held against you. And that has been the law for over a century. Technology isn't some sort of magical wand that changes how the law works.
        2y ago
bennyg 2y ago
What _are_ the best wired cam/local storage solutions today?
- darknavi 2y ago
  Reolink is fairly inexpensive but their apps are pretty lacking. Unifi Protect is my go-to because of usability but does (somewhat) rely on their SSO cloud login. All stored locally though on purchased NVRs and their app is soooo much better than Reolink's.
  - egberts1 2y ago
    Reolink periodically phones home ... to China.
    - para_parolu 2y ago
      Anything will phone home eventually if connected to internet. Home cameras should not be connected to internet regardless if they use wifi or wire.
  - Gys 2y ago
    Reolink outside camera’s are too cheaply build. I have several and most have been replaced within a year. I am looking for alternatives that are built better.
    - amy-petrik-214 2y ago
      I attest to reolink, have used it for security, 16 cameras, 3000 miles away, for ~2-3 years. Setup includes UPS on everything. Has been very stable. It even has a pretty easy to reverse engineer cgi-bin API (and very insecure) but sadly my ISP plugged the firewall hole I made for that :( I have in some cameras had issues with connectivity but as far as I can tell, it's from using an indoor ethernet cable outside... and the RJ-45 end-of-cable wire threads literally dissolve into dust from the moisture... but that's not on the camera
- 2y ago

RIMR 2y ago

I run a couple local wired cameras with a week of onboard storage that stream to a VPS running DVR software with months of storage. Hardly uses my gigabit connection, and the cloud video is impossible to destroy by anyone with access to the cameras. And it's my own Linux server. Nobody is going to hand anything over to the authorities behind my back.

Thorentis 2y ago
> VPS > nobody will hand anything over Uh, there's these things called subpoenas...
- anonym29 2y ago
  There's this thing called the internet, it's an interconnected network that allows people in one jurisdiction, say, the United States, to access servers in another jurisdiction, say, Russia, who is well-known to not cooperate with international law enforcement. Get an American court to issue a subpoena for the data on my Russian dedi. The judge and prosecutor will die of old age before they get so much as a boilerplate response in a Cyrillic alphabet.
  - chatmasta 2y ago
    You gotta find a Russian dedi that is unwilling to respond to subpoenas but also secure enough not to be compromised by the NSA, who presumably has an ongoing operation to monitor “sketchy hosts” and poke holes in them by signing up, testing the internal management infrastructure, etc…
    - anonym29 2y ago
      NSA is not a law enforcement organization, and the national security need to keep NSA processess, techniques, tools, and practices as secret as possible is a powerful motivator to keep any traces of NSA capabilities far away from the legal discovery process of a courtroom. Parallel discovery is possible, but do you think the NSA is eager to risk tipping their hand to Russia just over some nobody's CCTV footage? I'm not that important.
      - chatmasta 2y ago
        Yeah, you’re not wrong about that. Although I guess it depends what they think is on your security recordings, or what’s inside the building. Epstein had some wired cameras at his house…
  - gamblor956 2y ago
    The courts can also issue a subpoena to you and jail you if you refuse to comply.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - anonym29 2y ago
      While this is true, the Fifth Amendment protects witnesses from being forced to incriminate themselves, and there is currently no law compelling key (or password) disclosure in the United States. Your choice of jurisdiction matters.
      - gamblor956 2y ago
        That's partially true. Self incrimination refers to testimonial acts, and turning over data on a hard drive (or a physical key) is not a testimonial act.
        anonym29 2y ago
        The idea of a physical key, or even a physical hard drive being in play is a moot point for me, as the server and the storage drive aren't even in my possession. Even though the laws may facilitate a corrupt judge ordering me to provide a password, or even chaining back-to-back "contempt of court" charges just because I forgot my password, or my Russian provider locked me out, that doesn't make the judge's abuse of authority in that hypothetical scenario legitimate or just.
        gamblor956 2y ago
        Your choice of non-local provider for the express purpose of preventing physical access to justify evading a potential subpoeana can and will be held against you. And that has been the law for over a century. Technology isn't some sort of magical wand that changes how the law works.
        2y ago

bennyg 2y ago

What _are_ the best wired cam/local storage solutions today?

darknavi 2y ago
Reolink is fairly inexpensive but their apps are pretty lacking. Unifi Protect is my go-to because of usability but does (somewhat) rely on their SSO cloud login. All stored locally though on purchased NVRs and their app is soooo much better than Reolink's.
- egberts1 2y ago
  Reolink periodically phones home ... to China.
  - para_parolu 2y ago
    Anything will phone home eventually if connected to internet. Home cameras should not be connected to internet regardless if they use wifi or wire.
- Gys 2y ago
  Reolink outside camera’s are too cheaply build. I have several and most have been replaced within a year. I am looking for alternatives that are built better.
  - amy-petrik-214 2y ago
    I attest to reolink, have used it for security, 16 cameras, 3000 miles away, for ~2-3 years. Setup includes UPS on everything. Has been very stable. It even has a pretty easy to reverse engineer cgi-bin API (and very insecure) but sadly my ISP plugged the firewall hole I made for that :( I have in some cameras had issues with connectivity but as far as I can tell, it's from using an indoor ethernet cable outside... and the RJ-45 end-of-cable wire threads literally dissolve into dust from the moisture... but that's not on the camera
2y ago