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Yeah “seemingly” and “effectively” aren’t enough They are changing laws so if you’re undetectable you don’t have to disclose your HIV status to your partner(s)

Yeah “seemingly” and “effectively” aren’t enough They are changing laws so if you’re undetectable you don’t have to disclose your HIV status to your partner(s) .. but you could transmit it if you stop taking anti virals or the HIV mutates and then you’ve infected your partners… and just because it’s not detectable how do we know for sure you haven’t transmitted it ? Seems very wrong.

486sx33 2y ago
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/supreme-court-clarifies-duty-to-disclose-hiv-to-sex-partners-in-landmark-ruling/article_d0ef3b89-acc3-5ce0-b440-26eac0a93f40.html https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/supreme-court-clarifies-... And then one night your partner slips off the condom … then what
- ebiester 2y ago
  If your partner is on medication.. uncertainty, fear, and mistrust. But for as many medical trials as we've tried, you will not end up with HIV. If your partner is HIV+, you also are likely on prep. If not, you're probably looking at a course of HIV medication within 48 hours. So you are looking at a fair number of ways to mitigate, but the actual medical safety is a lower than expected risk. (The dangerous chance is if you're having sex with someone who doesn't know their positive status, and you don't take other protective measures.)
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> just because it’s not detectable how do we know for sure you haven’t transmitted it We know this unambiguously. If it’s not in your body fluids you can’t transmit it. We don’t require folks produce a transcript of every VD they ever had to every prospective partner. If the science says not transmissible, that properly takes the matter out of the sphere of public safety and into that of personal trust. (I agree with you that it would seem polite for someone to disclose that.)
skyyler 2y ago
>They are changing laws so if you’re undetectable you don’t have to disclose your HIV status to your partner(s) .. but you could transmit it if you stop taking anti virals If you stop taking your medicine, you stop being undetectable, you start being able to transmit it, and you start having a legal responsibility to tell potential partners about it.
tamimio 2y ago
> They are changing laws so if you’re undetectable you don’t have to disclose your HIV status to your partner(s) Do you have a source for this, please? That’s extremely risky if true. Who’s changing these laws?! Unless it’s fully cured, it should always be listed in someone’s medical history. Crazy! Someone might lie, get married, and after a few months they “forget”, Congratulations, you just destroyed someone else’s life or even your kids.
- chownie 2y ago
  "destroyed" is perhaps a bit hyperbolic, with these medications HIV now has a better prognosis than diabetes.

486sx33 2y ago

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/supreme-court-clarifies-duty-to-disclose-hiv-to-sex-partners-in-landmark-ruling/article_d0ef3b89-acc3-5ce0-b440-26eac0a93f40.html https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/supreme-court-clarifies-... And then one night your partner slips off the condom … then what

ebiester 2y ago
If your partner is on medication.. uncertainty, fear, and mistrust. But for as many medical trials as we've tried, you will not end up with HIV. If your partner is HIV+, you also are likely on prep. If not, you're probably looking at a course of HIV medication within 48 hours. So you are looking at a fair number of ways to mitigate, but the actual medical safety is a lower than expected risk. (The dangerous chance is if you're having sex with someone who doesn't know their positive status, and you don't take other protective measures.)

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> just because it’s not detectable how do we know for sure you haven’t transmitted it We know this unambiguously. If it’s not in your body fluids you can’t transmit it. We don’t require folks produce a transcript of every VD they ever had to every prospective partner. If the science says not transmissible, that properly takes the matter out of the sphere of public safety and into that of personal trust. (I agree with you that it would seem polite for someone to disclose that.)

skyyler 2y ago

>They are changing laws so if you’re undetectable you don’t have to disclose your HIV status to your partner(s) .. but you could transmit it if you stop taking anti virals If you stop taking your medicine, you stop being undetectable, you start being able to transmit it, and you start having a legal responsibility to tell potential partners about it.

tamimio 2y ago

> They are changing laws so if you’re undetectable you don’t have to disclose your HIV status to your partner(s) Do you have a source for this, please? That’s extremely risky if true. Who’s changing these laws?! Unless it’s fully cured, it should always be listed in someone’s medical history. Crazy! Someone might lie, get married, and after a few months they “forget”, Congratulations, you just destroyed someone else’s life or even your kids.

chownie 2y ago
"destroyed" is perhaps a bit hyperbolic, with these medications HIV now has a better prognosis than diabetes.