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I wonder what will happen to them if Ukraine loses to Russia. I have heard Moldova already has issues with Russian separatists. EDIT: Changed an offensive use
by generic92034 2y ago
I wonder what will happen to them if Ukraine loses to Russia. I have heard Moldova already has issues with Russian separatists.
EDIT: Changed an offensive use of a definitive article. ;)
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- datameta 2y agoFyi: Including "the" changes the meaning - it alludes to imperial language aking to calling the nation The Periphery.
- generic92034 2y agoI am not sure what you are talking about. Could you please elaborate? EDIT: Found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine#Etymology_and_orthography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine#Etymology_and_orthogra... now. Thanks for the correction!
- atlasunshrugged 2y agoReferring to Ukraine as "the Ukraine" is a symbol for many people of when it was a colony of part of the Soviet Union, rather than an independent nation. Similar to how many people use to refer to Kyiv as Kiev but changed as that was the more Russian spelling
- rdlw 2y agoSorry, how does that refute anything? The point is that in English, adding the definite article makes it sound like a region rather than a country: "the mountains", "the veldt", "the border land". Removing the article is appropriate for a country, unless grammatically necessary like "The United States of America", but not "The America" or "The Germany".
- generic92034 2y agoMisread the paragraph first, then edited the edit. Sorry!
- rdlw 2y agoOops, that makes sense. Sorry that instead of thinking you reasonably missed two letters in that sentence, I assumed you were an idiot and started arguing with you. Personal issues.
- JoshTriplett 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine#Etymology_and_orthography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine#Etymology_and_orthogra... It's the difference between a descriptive name for a region and the name of a sovereign country. This is particularly relevant given the repeated attempts to conquer it and make it no longer a sovereign country.
- datameta 2y agoThe Ukraine is a translation of Imperial Russia's name for the country. Whereas Ukraine is the self-selected name for the Sovereign Nation.
- brabel 2y agoI was under the impression that Russian does not even have articles??! What do you mean by that? How can "The Ukraine" come from the Russian language??
- datameta 2y agoUsing "the" affirms it as "this one particular borderland (of Russia)" instead of the name of a specific country. I misused the word "translation". Not sure if transliteration is more apt.
- justsomehnguy 2y ago[flagged]
- datameta 2y agoI am Ukrainian
- justsomehnguy 2y ago... and that's why you go around and policy the usage of the language which isn't even spoken in your own country?
- fractallyte 2y agoConsidering the staggering numbers of Ukrainians killed, maimed, displaced, deported, and more, in the fight for independence from terrorist Russia, referring to that country with its correct name is a sign of respect and acknowledgment.
- stevekemp 2y agoNowadays people prefer to call the country "Ukraine", rather "the Ukraine". I admit I've made that mistake more than a few times. See here for some backstory and history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine
- NooneAtAll3 2y ago...wtf is "imperial language"?
- datameta 2y agoLanguage which implies colonial status through historical insinuation when referencing a sovereign nation.
- brabel 2y agoYou're thinking of Transnistria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria The history of that area is complex. Moldova itself was part of the Ottoman Empire, then it was ceded to the Russian Empire, united with Romania, then the whole are became part of the USSR... and after the dissolution of the USSR, Transnistria became an unregognized, but de facto autonomous "country". Moldovians see the area as still part of Moldova (with some still considering the whole country as part of Romania!). The EU sees it as a Russian-occupied area since Russia supports the local government, and without Russian support the Moldavian Government would've probably taken over the area already (it's a frozen conflict area... Eastern Ukraine is headed for the same destiny, it seems).
- generic92034 2y agoAh, thanks for helping my memory! However, it remains to be seen if the war in Ukraine can be frozen. If a certain large supporter of Ukraine stops the support, Ukrainians might simply lose it all. But will Russia stop there?
- type0 2y ago> Eastern Ukraine is headed for the same destiny, it seems it doesn't, Russia hasn't officially annexed Transnistria as it did with occupied Ukrainian territories