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This is a very nice take on the country. I visited a few years ago (took an overnight train from Romania which was a blast, albeit not the most restful experien

This is a very nice take on the country. I visited a few years ago (took an overnight train from Romania which was a blast, albeit not the most restful experience) and I would just say that there isn't all that much to see or things going on. Not to say it isn't a nice enough place, it's just not one I'd ever recommend as a tourist destination for people. If you want more Eastern Europe vibes I think Romania is just fine for that with much more going on -- if you're more adventurous Lviv and Kyiv are fantastic (I was just there in April, still gorgeous cities with great restaurants, bars, and art). And if you want old Europe with a post-Soviet flavor, nothing beats Estonia and the well preserved old town in the capital

Eavolution 2y ago
I was on that sleeper a week ago, most soviet thing ever! How long did it take for your conductor to take his top off?
WXLCKNO 2y ago
> more adventurous > Kyiv Understatement of the year
- atlasunshrugged 2y ago
  The funny thing is, coming from Washington DC, I felt about or more safe in Ukraine as I do here day to day. I wasn't worried about being carjacked, I wasn't worried about someone with mental health or drug problems robbing me, and I wasn't worried about being shot (as I write this it feels hyperbolic to say but I live about 10 mins walking from the capitol and in the two years I've been here there have been multiple carjackings and shootings in my neighborhood -- even a Congressman was held up at gunpoint next door to me). The idea that missiles could come raining down was scary, but there are shelters everywhere and it felt like the likelihood of getting hit was pretty low being in random bars/restaurants and not any government/military/infrastructure facility. Maybe I was calculating the odds all wrong in my head, but I didn't feel particularly unsafe while I was there (that said, wouldn't go further east or to Odessa right now).
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    They have hit apartments and hospitals before so its not only military/government/infra targets any longer. I'm surprised they haven't been sold an iron dome or a similar system by now to be honest.
    - atlasunshrugged 2y ago
      Yeah, I've seen that (and some of it unfortunately is not directly from missile attacks but falling debris after missiles were intercepted) but apart from some horrendous cases, the likelihood still seemed relatively low that they'd target the bar/hostel/restaurant I happened to be in, and without enough time for me to get to a shelter. The only time I was really nervous was when an air raid siren went off when I was in the train station at Lviv and I wasn't sure whether to go to a shelter or the train (I chose the latter which was good because the train left on time)
    - psunavy03 2y ago
      They've already been sold the whole suite of Western air defense systems in addition to the ex-Soviet gear they've already had. Patriot, HAWK, Gepard, etc.
      - kjkjadksj 2y ago
        That didn't help the childrens hospital that was hit 9 days ago unfortunately. 40 people died in that strike.
        justsomehnguy 2y ago
        Let's be glad what they only managed to 'hit' a hospital with only 1 missile from the pack of 6.
        galkk 2y ago
        The hospital toll is only 2 (other sources claim 3) dead. https://t.me/vitaliy_klitschko/3267 https://t.me/vitaliy_klitschko/3267 This is tragedy. I find it so weird, though, - rocket hits hospital (!) and only 2 dead, both adults, and 16 injured.
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Culonavirus 2y ago
Do you even Prague, bro...
- atlasunshrugged 2y ago
  Fair, Prague is amazing!
- 2o3jr2o34j 2y ago
  Prague is central Europe
  - jahnu 2y ago
    It’s even a good bit further west than Vienna.
    - imp0cat 2y ago
      Vienna is great, too. Prague and Vienna have a lot in common (great beer, for example).
      - jahnu 2y ago
        Prague has even better beer than Vienna’s decent beer. But the wine here is very good :)
- utensil4778 2y ago
  Prague is fantastic if you can avoid the tourist crowds. I lived there briefly with a Czech roommate who took me on tours through the "real" city. Also had a British friend there and we went through the usual tourist destinations now and then. The astronomical clock was neat, but the castle was so much more interesting and far less crowded than the old town. Incidentally, I didn't drink before said roommate introduced me to Czech beer. What I wouldn't give for a nice frosty Kozel here in the states...
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jmspring 2y ago
Estonia’s old city is a treat to explore. Last time I was there was several years back during the winter and it was -30c or so out. Didn’t stop some drunk Brits from having a good time.
- euroderf 2y ago
  It was a top destination for Brit bachelor parties some years ago but that trade seems to have dried up of late. Good riddance.
  - petre 2y ago
    Why? Cheap flights and booze? I'd like to know in order to avoid such destinations. Drunk Brits on bachelor parties were by far the most annoying tourists in Spain or Greece. I thought my co-nationals were annoying until I encountered drunk Brits.
    - imp0cat 2y ago
      Is it still a thing? Before covid, even central Europe suffered from the drunk Brit invasion, but nowadays it seems they have moved on.
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- _zoltan_ 2y ago
  I had reindeer soup in the old city. It was awesome! Can recommend.
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Eavolution 2y ago

I was on that sleeper a week ago, most soviet thing ever! How long did it take for your conductor to take his top off?

WXLCKNO 2y ago

> more adventurous > Kyiv Understatement of the year

atlasunshrugged 2y ago
The funny thing is, coming from Washington DC, I felt about or more safe in Ukraine as I do here day to day. I wasn't worried about being carjacked, I wasn't worried about someone with mental health or drug problems robbing me, and I wasn't worried about being shot (as I write this it feels hyperbolic to say but I live about 10 mins walking from the capitol and in the two years I've been here there have been multiple carjackings and shootings in my neighborhood -- even a Congressman was held up at gunpoint next door to me). The idea that missiles could come raining down was scary, but there are shelters everywhere and it felt like the likelihood of getting hit was pretty low being in random bars/restaurants and not any government/military/infrastructure facility. Maybe I was calculating the odds all wrong in my head, but I didn't feel particularly unsafe while I was there (that said, wouldn't go further east or to Odessa right now).
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  They have hit apartments and hospitals before so its not only military/government/infra targets any longer. I'm surprised they haven't been sold an iron dome or a similar system by now to be honest.
  - atlasunshrugged 2y ago
    Yeah, I've seen that (and some of it unfortunately is not directly from missile attacks but falling debris after missiles were intercepted) but apart from some horrendous cases, the likelihood still seemed relatively low that they'd target the bar/hostel/restaurant I happened to be in, and without enough time for me to get to a shelter. The only time I was really nervous was when an air raid siren went off when I was in the train station at Lviv and I wasn't sure whether to go to a shelter or the train (I chose the latter which was good because the train left on time)
  - psunavy03 2y ago
    They've already been sold the whole suite of Western air defense systems in addition to the ex-Soviet gear they've already had. Patriot, HAWK, Gepard, etc.
    - kjkjadksj 2y ago
      That didn't help the childrens hospital that was hit 9 days ago unfortunately. 40 people died in that strike.
      - justsomehnguy 2y ago
        Let's be glad what they only managed to 'hit' a hospital with only 1 missile from the pack of 6.
      - galkk 2y ago
        The hospital toll is only 2 (other sources claim 3) dead. https://t.me/vitaliy_klitschko/3267 https://t.me/vitaliy_klitschko/3267 This is tragedy. I find it so weird, though, - rocket hits hospital (!) and only 2 dead, both adults, and 16 injured.
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Culonavirus 2y ago

Do you even Prague, bro...

atlasunshrugged 2y ago
Fair, Prague is amazing!
2o3jr2o34j 2y ago
Prague is central Europe
- jahnu 2y ago
  It’s even a good bit further west than Vienna.
  - imp0cat 2y ago
    Vienna is great, too. Prague and Vienna have a lot in common (great beer, for example).
    - jahnu 2y ago
      Prague has even better beer than Vienna’s decent beer. But the wine here is very good :)
utensil4778 2y ago
Prague is fantastic if you can avoid the tourist crowds. I lived there briefly with a Czech roommate who took me on tours through the "real" city. Also had a British friend there and we went through the usual tourist destinations now and then. The astronomical clock was neat, but the castle was so much more interesting and far less crowded than the old town. Incidentally, I didn't drink before said roommate introduced me to Czech beer. What I wouldn't give for a nice frosty Kozel here in the states...
- SOLAR_FIELDS 2y ago

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jmspring 2y ago

Estonia’s old city is a treat to explore. Last time I was there was several years back during the winter and it was -30c or so out. Didn’t stop some drunk Brits from having a good time.

euroderf 2y ago
It was a top destination for Brit bachelor parties some years ago but that trade seems to have dried up of late. Good riddance.
- petre 2y ago
  Why? Cheap flights and booze? I'd like to know in order to avoid such destinations. Drunk Brits on bachelor parties were by far the most annoying tourists in Spain or Greece. I thought my co-nationals were annoying until I encountered drunk Brits.
  - imp0cat 2y ago
    Is it still a thing? Before covid, even central Europe suffered from the drunk Brit invasion, but nowadays it seems they have moved on.
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_zoltan_ 2y ago
I had reindeer soup in the old city. It was awesome! Can recommend.
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