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So you can see how a living wage and parity for tipped professions is actually in the national interest.

lenerdenator 2y ago
Exactly. The problem is, you will have to take money from some parts of the country to subsidize places like the Missouri Bootheel if you wish to see these sorts of improvements made, at least for a few decades. The engine for economic growth simply isn't there. Kansas City and St. Louis make up somewhere between 75-90% of the state gross product. Springfield and Columbia make up a little bit of the difference. The entire rest of the state by land area makes up less than 10%.
- jajko 2y ago
  ... and thats communism in eyes of many, I'd say most americans (better redistribution of wealth instead of winners take it all and screw the rest, they didn't try hard enough). Healthcare is the same topic. So is public education.
  - sqeaky 2y ago
    This shouldn't be downvoted. Many right-wingers will say anything is "communism" and act like that ends the discussion, because it certainly ends their involvement with the serious part of the discussion. "Communism" and "Socialism" are invoked like magical bogeyman that will destroy everything. To have any discussion on social welfare this needs to be somehow bypassed in discussions.
    - jmward01 2y ago
      I think many of the discussion threads here can be summed up as 'you can't tell me what to do' but they don't acknowledge that when people live together everything done, or not done, impacts them all. Appropriate infrastructure planning and implementation isn't socialism or communism, it is just practical. I think this thread in general has answered my initial 'why' in spades.
      - sqeaky 2y ago
        You say "discussion thread" I was thinking about "conversation with my neighbor". But yeah, even there they want to ignore their interdependence on society.
kbolino 2y ago
Unless such measures are applied globally (and practical space travel remains unobtainable), or a country completely isolates itself economically, these geographically bounded measures just displace the externalities.

Exactly. The problem is, you will have to take money from some parts of the country to subsidize places like the Missouri Bootheel if you wish to see these sorts of improvements made, at least for a few decades. The engine for economic growth simply isn't there. Kansas City and St. Louis make up somewhere between 75-90% of the state gross product. Springfield and Columbia make up a little bit of the difference. The entire rest of the state by land area makes up less than 10%.

jajko 2y ago
... and thats communism in eyes of many, I'd say most americans (better redistribution of wealth instead of winners take it all and screw the rest, they didn't try hard enough). Healthcare is the same topic. So is public education.
- sqeaky 2y ago
  This shouldn't be downvoted. Many right-wingers will say anything is "communism" and act like that ends the discussion, because it certainly ends their involvement with the serious part of the discussion. "Communism" and "Socialism" are invoked like magical bogeyman that will destroy everything. To have any discussion on social welfare this needs to be somehow bypassed in discussions.
  - jmward01 2y ago
    I think many of the discussion threads here can be summed up as 'you can't tell me what to do' but they don't acknowledge that when people live together everything done, or not done, impacts them all. Appropriate infrastructure planning and implementation isn't socialism or communism, it is just practical. I think this thread in general has answered my initial 'why' in spades.
    - sqeaky 2y ago
      You say "discussion thread" I was thinking about "conversation with my neighbor". But yeah, even there they want to ignore their interdependence on society.

kbolino 2y ago

Unless such measures are applied globally (and practical space travel remains unobtainable), or a country completely isolates itself economically, these geographically bounded measures just displace the externalities.