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Presumably we need more air conditioners precisely because there are currently people without them..? I think the guy you're responding to believes there's a ne

Presumably we need more air conditioners precisely because there are currently people without them..? I think the guy you're responding to believes there's a need for more AC to prevent exactly what you're describing. And re; what you're describing, if you have an AC you (generally) don't need more AC's, that'd be pretty pointless. AC units aren't a thing that makes any sense to hoard away, so the future you're imagining where people in "mansions in the desert" somehow have all the AC and everyone else is just "boiling" away doesn't really seem like a realistic concern. Especially so if people agree that building more AC's will help.

funnybeam 2y ago
We need more air conditioners because of global heating - a problem exacerbated to some extent by air conditioners themselves
- youngtaff 2y ago
  Suspect we need more efficient cooling so things like heat pumps that can run in reverse and actually cool the building fabric down
  - Armisael16 2y ago
    Cooling is the main and normal direction heat pumps run in; heating is the new and unusual way to use them.
- skybrian 2y ago
  Yes, but that's true of everything. Solar power will help.
monkeyfun 2y ago
Please look at Qatar or the UAE, as I feel that will pretty much clear up that feeling about it being unrealistic. I don't mean look at some specific mansion, I almost even mean the entire countries, particularly Qatar. If you've ever been there, it's mind-boggling how much extravagant waste is displayed everywhere. I mean true extremes of marble and gold foil everywhere, along with the relevant aspect of HUGE air conditioned structures. I mean so truly excessively huge where vast amounts of empty space are being cooled for nearly nobody within large malls, indoor plazas, mansions, etc. Also, while I can see a valid point being that maybe they're more corrupt and wasteful than most, I'd just wish to then say I've seen some pretty tremendous waste in western countries, there's just usually more of an attempt to disguise it. And related to your point about hoarding, I'd ask you to consider what the benefit of extra private yachts or the Nth additional mansion or apartment is for a very rich individual are. Why hoard away ships, or trinkets, or homes that won't be occupied? It's a difference of mindset and desires/goals.
- skybrian 2y ago
  Extravagant, wasteful wealth obviously exists, and yes, waste is bad. But if your goal were, for example, to provide air conditioning to most of Mexico, I don't think reusing existing stuff is going to do it. You're going to need manufacturing. You'll also need some way of making sure that effort doesn't get redirected, because it will attract people trying to get a cut of it.

funnybeam 2y ago

We need more air conditioners because of global heating - a problem exacerbated to some extent by air conditioners themselves

youngtaff 2y ago
Suspect we need more efficient cooling so things like heat pumps that can run in reverse and actually cool the building fabric down
- Armisael16 2y ago
  Cooling is the main and normal direction heat pumps run in; heating is the new and unusual way to use them.
skybrian 2y ago
Yes, but that's true of everything. Solar power will help.

monkeyfun 2y ago

Please look at Qatar or the UAE, as I feel that will pretty much clear up that feeling about it being unrealistic. I don't mean look at some specific mansion, I almost even mean the entire countries, particularly Qatar. If you've ever been there, it's mind-boggling how much extravagant waste is displayed everywhere. I mean true extremes of marble and gold foil everywhere, along with the relevant aspect of HUGE air conditioned structures. I mean so truly excessively huge where vast amounts of empty space are being cooled for nearly nobody within large malls, indoor plazas, mansions, etc. Also, while I can see a valid point being that maybe they're more corrupt and wasteful than most, I'd just wish to then say I've seen some pretty tremendous waste in western countries, there's just usually more of an attempt to disguise it. And related to your point about hoarding, I'd ask you to consider what the benefit of extra private yachts or the Nth additional mansion or apartment is for a very rich individual are. Why hoard away ships, or trinkets, or homes that won't be occupied? It's a difference of mindset and desires/goals.

skybrian 2y ago
Extravagant, wasteful wealth obviously exists, and yes, waste is bad. But if your goal were, for example, to provide air conditioning to most of Mexico, I don't think reusing existing stuff is going to do it. You're going to need manufacturing. You'll also need some way of making sure that effort doesn't get redirected, because it will attract people trying to get a cut of it.